[b-hebrew] b-hebrew Uncancellable meaning and Hebrew verbs
J.Read-2 at sms.ed.ac.uk
Mon Jul 6 06:06:21 EDT 2009
Quoting David Kummerow <farmerjoeblo at hotmail.com>:
> Hi James,
> I think you may notice that you've changed lexemes, thus different
> semantics involved.
No real big difference. All of my examples have verbs of motion with
an adverbial phrase that contradicts the semantics of the verbs of
motion. The only difference is that you used a single adverbial word
whereas I used an adverbial phrase.
> In this case, same meaning may be discerned across
> different uses. I'm not disputing this type of thing at all. If you take
> closer notice, this is entirely allowed for in the quote from my review.
> It's the rigid definition of equating semantics to uncancellable meaning
> is what I dispute and which has not been demonstrated yet on this list
> despite this topic being raised again and again.
OK! So now we are getting into the semantics of 'semantics'. You are
arguing that there is no uncancellable meaning of semantic units and
to substantiate your case you argue for a different uncancellable
meaning of 'semantics' than the definition of 'semantics' used in
All of this aside I see no reason why Rolf should not define his usage
of 'semantic' in his work. To the contrary, I see this as good
academic practice. Especially, given that if he did not define his use
of the term 'semantics' his usage would then be ambiguous and it would
be possible to misread his work.
In my 2008 dissertation on Interlingual machine translation I had to
do a similar thing as my use of the term 'Interlingua' was different
from past usage of the term in the literature. Yet if I used another
term as I have in the past (concept text) I run the risk of seeming
ignorant of the literature for not using the term 'Interlingua'. In
such cases, the only way to satisfy all critics is to provide a
definition of your usage of the term in question.
> David Kummerow.
>> Hi David,
>> 1) Newton watched as the apple fell upwards.
>> 2) The Mary Rose sank from the bottom of the ocean to the surface of the
>> 3) The space shuttle landed in the sky about 3,000 feet above London.
>> No doubt the above sentences make complete sense to you with no comic
>> James Christian
>> Quoting David Kummerow <farmerjoeblo at hotmail.com>:
>>> Hi James,
>>> It's the English I myself use and hear about me, nothing comically meant
>>> by it at all.
>>> I guess you see my point now, that there isn't a single meaning across
>>> the uses I've brought. Semantics defined as uncancellable meaning leaves
>>> "plod" in my dialect without semantics. Better to define semantics
>>> prototypically, and probably best done by way of frame analysis.
>>> David Kummerow.
>>>> Hi David,
>>>> I don't know which variant dialect of English you are using but the
>>>> following sentence doesn't make much sense to me (other than comic
>>>> James Christian
>>>> Quoting David Kummerow <farmerjoeblo at hotmail.com>:
>>> b-hebrew mailing list
>>> b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
> b-hebrew mailing list
> b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
More information about the b-hebrew