[b-hebrew] Ecc 12:6: BWR

pporta at oham.net pporta at oham.net
Fri Mar 28 15:15:31 EDT 2008

> WNRC unpointed could be from RWC, RCH or RCC, and it is the context that
> gives us the clues which to use. The context of )L indicates motion 
> towards.
> RCC means to savage, i.e. treat roughly, RCH means to satisfy, as in 
> making
> pleased, also used as in satisfying a debt, leaving only RWC to move 
> quickly
> as the only one fulfilling the contextual clue of motion. Hence a
> translation, "and the rollable object is moved quickly to the dug out 
> pit."


Then, Karl, in your view this NRC (of RWC) would be Niph'al Past, third 
person singular masculine, with conversive waw attached to it?

Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Spain)

> Karl W. Randolph.
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM, <pporta at oham.net> wrote:
>> Yes, Karl, BWR is "pit" rather than "well".
>> Now, RCC means "to crush", not "to broke". But "WNRC", the word before
>> HGLGL, has often be
>> translated as "break" and not as "crush".
>> And so, KJ writes:
>> Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the
>> pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
>> So, be so kind to excuse the mistake I made at writing about broken 
>> pieces
>> of the wheel (which pieces would fall into the pit). If I understand you
>> well, it is the whole wheel which is crushed and falls down into the pit.
>> Pere Porta
>> > First of all, GLGL refers to an object that can be rolled. While the
>> most
>> > common usage is to refer to a wheel, it is also used to refer to a
>> tumble
>> > weed Isaiah 17:13 Psalm 83:13 and in this case I think it refers to a
>> > body,
>> > wrapped up being taken to a grave. The word that specifically means
>> > "wheel"
>> > is )WPN.
>> >
>> > BWR refers to an excavation, dug out pit. Sometimes that dug out pit 
>> > was
>> > also used as a well, other times dry. In Genesis 40 it was the prison
>> that
>> > Joseph worked in, sounds like a quarry. It can also be a grave.
>> >
>> > The word that specifically refers to a well is B)R.
>> >
>> > So the final section refers to the rollable object is moved quickly 
>> > unto
>> > the
>> > dug out pit. The reason for )L instead of the prefix B- is because we
>> are
>> > looking at movement towards the dug out pit.
>> >
>> > Where do you get the idea of breakage and pieces?
>> >
>> > Karl W. Randolph.
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