[b-hebrew] About Dagesh's

Vadim Cherny him at vadimcherny.org
Mon Jun 16 15:11:38 EDT 2008


Is there any arguments against a simple rule that dagesh only exists on 
cantillation and there only to avoid jamming (hazak - of post-tonic 
vowels, kal - of clustered consonants)?
I spoke with a number of opera singers and all of them confirmed a need 
for such a stop.

Vadim Cherny


Isaac Fried wrote:
> <div class="moz-text-flowed" style="font-family: -moz-fixed">As for 
> the masora we need to separate fact from fiction, or practice from 
> theory. It is a fact that in Exodus 12:31 the word C)U is with an 
> apparently authentic dagesh in the zade, why is the dagesh there is 
> free for all theoretical explanation.
> I am suspicious of arguments depending on syllable formation. Some 
> grammar books have this "rule" that after a qametz, considered by them 
> for some obscure reason to be a "TNU(AH GDOLAH", the schwa is "NA(", 
> or an opener of a syllable. By this logic the word $ABRU, for 
> instance, is to be read $A-BRU [$AAA-BRU?], which could only be 
> suggested by someone who has actually never tried to speak Hebrew.
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
> On Jun 15, 2008, at 2:31 AM, Yitzhak Sapir wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Yaakov Stein wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here are two instances of a dagesh having apparently the sole purpose
>>> of marking the first letter of a word; specifically,
>>>> to warn against the moving of an U from the end of a word to the
>>> beginning of the next.
>>>> 1. ?????? ?????? ???????? ??????, Exodus 12:31, to prevent the reading
>>> QUM UC)U.
>>>> 2. ?????? ?????? ????????? ???-????? ???????, Deuteronomy 2:24, to
>>> prevent the reading QUM US(U.
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>> First, every time you embed Hebrew I get question marks.
>>>
>>> Second, if you already mention QUMU C)U in Exodus,
>>> you shouldn't forget the exact same expression in Genesis 19:14.
>>> On this expression MINHAT SHAI remarks that there are 5 similar
>>> dageshes after ) H W Y.
>>
>> There are many more cases of conjunctive dagesh than 5.  The rules
>> regarding bgdkpt following vowels or )hwy is given in #399, of Yeivin's
>> book, with exceptions in #400.  I really recommend that you get Yeivin's
>> book if you want to learn about the Masora:
>> Yeivin, I. 1980. Introduction to the Tiberian Masorah. Atlanta:
>> Society of Biblical Literature.
>>
>> On the main rule of the conjunctive dagesh (#399), Yeivin points out
>> that in some cases as in Ex 15:13, no vowel letter is used, nxyt bxsdk,
>> whereas in other cases the vowel letter is used to close a syllable
>> so that the next word takes a dagesh, as in Num 22:2, wyr) blq.
>>
>> Yitzhak Sapir
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