[b-hebrew] Proverbs Commentary
jljustiss at msn.com
Mon Dec 29 14:58:57 EST 2008
You might consider the commentary on Proverbs by Bruce Waltke. He holds the text in high regards and at the same time is a recognized giant in the scholarly world. I hope that helps
Joseph Justiss> From: b-hebrew-request at lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: b-hebrew Digest, Vol 72, Issue 26> To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:20:22 -0500> > Send b-hebrew mailing list submissions to> b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> b-hebrew-request at lists.ibiblio.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> b-hebrew-owner at lists.ibiblio.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of b-hebrew digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. (no subject) (AMK Judaica)> 2. Proverbs (Yodan)> 3. Joshua 15: 52-59: Hill Country Cities? (JimStinehart at aol.com)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:33:50 -0500> From: AMK Judaica <amkjudaica at hotmail.com>> Subject: [b-hebrew] (no subject)> To: Hebrew List <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>> Message-ID: <COL102-W9293BBABA17C657B4EC95D9E60 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > > > > JOHN,> > different communities have different names.> tikun> korei'm sometimes contains charts with the names and muscial notation> (see especially "tikkun simanim" for lists of names in different> communities).> also see wickes.> i assume mordechai breuer and michael perlman give variant names, but i don't remember> > AVI,> > thanks for that link to unicode. i couldn't believe that even nun hafukha is listed> > kol tuv,> ari kinsberg> blog: http://agmk.blogspot.com> _________________________________________________________________> Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.> http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:31:09 -0800> From: "Yodan" <yodan at yodanco.com>> Subject: [b-hebrew] Proverbs> To: "'Hebrew List'" <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>> Message-ID: <006c01c96987$6b55db20$6601a8c0 at RivkaNewPC>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Does anyone know of a good commentary book on Proverbs? > > Thanks,> > Rivka Sherman-Gold> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:32:11 EST> From: JimStinehart at aol.com> Subject: [b-hebrew] Joshua 15: 52-59: Hill Country Cities?> To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <cdb.4810d90f.368a477b at aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"> > > Joshua 15: 52-59: Hill Country Cities?> > Yigal Levin is one of the leading experts in the world on the subject of the > identity of Biblical cities in southern Canaan. But let me venture a few > thoughts of my own on that important subject. I think I may have located a main > source of the longstanding post-Biblical misunderstanding of Biblical > geography: a mis-reading of Joshua 15: 48-60.> > A. The text of Joshua 15: 48-60 unambiguously states that the first 11 > cities listed there (Joshua 15: 48-51) are located in hill country. These 11 > cities include Debir, a well-known city located in hill country south of the city > of Hebron. Socoh is located on the western edge of hill country. I do not see > any of the 11 cities there as being known not to be located in hill country. > So far, so good.> > But as I see it, the text, out of context, is inherently ambiguous as to > whether or not the next 27 cities listed thereafter are, or are not, asserted by > Joshua to be located in hill country.> > For starters, it is hard to see how hill country south of Jerusalem could > contain that many cities. 38 cities in that part of hill country? The flip side > is that it seems very odd that on what I believe is the customary reading of > the text, not a single city in the attractive Aijalon Valley is assigned to > Judah in the Book of Joshua. (I realize that Gezer, and the city of Aijalon, > are dealt with separately, at Joshua 16: 10; 19: 42.)> > I note that the cities in the Shephelah well south of the Aijalon Valley are > well represented at Joshua 15: 33-47, along with several cities on the coast > which are not in the Shephelah. Joshua 15: 33-36 lists 14 cities ?in the valley> ?, which apparently means the Shephelah south of the Aijalon Valley, and > perhaps south of the Sorek Valley as well. All 14 of those cities may well be > located in the Shephelah (not on the coast). But as for the next 28 cities > listed (at Joshua 15: 37-47), although many such cities are located in the > Shephelah, not all of them are. Ashdod and Gaza at Joshua 15: 47 certainly are > located on the coast, not in the Shephelah. Moreover, in this list of 44 cities, I > see not a single city located in or near the Aijalon Valley.> > Most of the foregoing problems disappear entirely if one recognizes that (i) > not all of the 28 cities listed at Joshua 15: 37-47 are asserted by Joshua to > be ?in the valley?, that is, in the Shephelah, and that (ii) the cities > listed at Joshua 15: 52-60 likewise are not being asserted by Joshua to be located > in hill country.> > Yes, the reference to ?hiy Hebron? at Joshua 15: 54 is a major concern. The > city of Hebron is definitely located in hill country, south of Jerusalem, > though the city name ?Hebron? is not attested in secular history prior to the > 8th century BCE. But other than that one controversial reference (which looks > like a gloss, and can be discussed in a later post), it appears to me that all > 25 cities listed at Joshua 15: 52-59 may be located in or near the Aijalon > Valley, not in hill country.> > B. In this post, I will start things out by mentioning just one specific > city: MQRT. [The letters ?Mqrt? are set forth as item #106 on the Thutmosis > III list from the mid-15th century BCE here: > http://www.archaeowiki.org/Topographical_List%2C_First_Campaign_of_Thutmose_III P. 74 of Anson Rainey?s ?The > Sacred Bridge? adds in some vowel sounds and sets forth either ?ma-q-r-tu? or ?> ma-q-ra-tu?. (The final U there is a pre-12th century BCE case ending that > would not be reflected in the Bible.)] > > Nadav Na?aman, who is one of the best historians in the world, states that he > and other scholars have not been able to figure out what the city of MQRT is > at item #106 on the Thutmosis III list. ?The place of Mqr/lt (No. 106) is > unknown.? [The 3rd letter is an Egyptian R, which could be either resh/R or > lamed/L, hence Prof. Na?aman?s rendering of ?r/l?. Here, I see that R as > being a resh/R.] > _http://books.google.com/books?id=HmTOoQmf23AC&pg=PA208&lpg=PA204&ots=9b0fS9ucF2&dq=rubutu+letter&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html_ > (http://books.google.com/books?id=HmTOoQmf23AC&pg=PA208&lpg=PA204&ots=9b0fS9ucF2&dq=rubutu+le> tter&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html) MQRT comes immediately after Gezer and > Rubutu on the Thutmosis III list, and right before the geographical focus of the > Thutmosis III list appears to shift to the Jezreel Valley (at item #107). We > would logically expect MQRT to be the last of 7 straight cities listed on the > Thutmosis III list that are cities located in or near the Aijalon Valley.> > Apparently, scholars have not looked at Joshua 15: 52-59 in trying to > understand MQRT, on the grounds that (i) all of the cities listed there allegedly are > asserted by Joshua to be in hill country, and (ii) pharaoh Thutmosis III > never went anywhere near hill country. But the text of Joshua does not say that > those cities are located in hill country, as I read it. Rather, I see all of > the 25 cities listed at 15: 52-59 as likely being in or near the Aijalon > Valley, rather than being in hill country (subject to the one controversial > reference to ?hiy Hebron?, which can be addressed later).> > If we are willing to look in Joshua 15: 52-59 for a MQRT located in or near > the Aijalon Valley, we find it immediately, at Joshua 15: 59.> > MQRT = Biblical ?Maarath?. MQRT is item #106 on the Thutmosis III list > (being the last of 7 straight cities on that list that appear to be located in or > near the Aijalon Valley). The letter Q on the Thutmosis III list often > represents a gimel/G sound. (Thus Gezer, at item #104 on the Thutmosis III list, is > QDR, where the Egyptian Q represents a west Semitic gimel/G.) An archaic > ghayin in the Bronze Age had a sound similar to gimel/G, as we see in ?Gaza? and > ?Gomorrah? in the Patriarchal narratives, each of which begins with an > archaic ghayin, which is represented in Biblical Hebrew writing as a regular ayin, > but which comes out as a G in the Septuagint in Greek. If the Q here > represents a ghayin/ayin (which sounded a lot like gimel/G), then the four Hebrew > equivalent letters would be mem-ayin-resh-tav/M(RT. That is exactly what is > found, letter for letter, at Joshua 15: 59: M(RT/?Maarath?. MQRT as item #106 on > the Thutmosis III list = Biblical ?Maarath?/M(RT at Joshua 15: 59.> > Though scholars have been baffled by MQRT at item #106 on the Thutmosis III > list, it?s right there at Joshua 15: 59, plain as day, as a city in or near the > Aijalon Valley, if we are willing to recognize that the text of Joshua does > not assert that the cities at Joshua 15: 52-60 are located in hill country.> > In my view, the key to understanding what Joshua is doing with his > controversial reference to ?hiy Hebron? at Joshua 15: 54 is first to try to understand > all that we can about the 25 cities that surround that apparent gloss. It > makes all the difference in the world whether those 25 cities are in or near the > Aijalon Valley, or by sharp contrast are in hill country. It makes no sense > to ignore those 25 cities listed in Joshua.> > With 25 Biblical city names to look at in Joshua 15: 52-59, and with the > mid-15th century BCE Thutmosis III list available to be consulted for Late Bronze > Age cities in Canaan, which seems to include 7 straight cities located in or > near the Aijalon Valley (items #100 - #106), surely we should we able to > determine whether those 25 listed cities in Joshua are located in or near the > Aijalon Valley, or rather are located in hill country south of Jerusalem. We have > now seen that item #106 on the Thutmosis III list, MQRT, matches up very nicely > to Biblical Maarath at Joshua 15: 59. Knowing that pharaoh Thutmosis III > never went anywhere near hill country, but did spend time in the Aijalon Valley > area, that tends to indicate that MQRT/Biblical Maarath was located in or near > the Aijalon Valley, not in hill country. Granted, this post has only analyzed > a single city name. But we?ve got 25 city names at Joshua 15: 52-59, and 7 > consecutive cities at items #100-#106 on the Thutmosis III list which all > appear to be located in or near the Aijalon Valley (the only place where pharaoh > Thutmosis III recorded city names in Canaan that is south of the Megiddo area).> > I myself think that Joshua has a lot more accurate historical information in > it than most people realize. No, it?s not the pinpoint historical accuracy of > the Patriarchal narratives. But Joshua?s extensive listing of cities in > Canaan should not be ignored. We may be able to figure out where post-Biblical > analysts have gone wrong as to Biblical geography if we pay close attention to > the geographical place names in (1) Joshua, (2) the Patriarchal narratives, and > (3) the Thutmosis III list. Certainly the various authors of the Bible knew > the l-o-c-a-l geography of southern Canaan. It is post-Biblical analysts, > not the Bible itself, who have gotten so very far off the track regarding > Biblical geography.> > Jim Stinehart> Evanston, Illinois> > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)> > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> b-hebrew mailing list> b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew> > End of b-hebrew Digest, Vol 72, Issue 26> ****************************************
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