[b-hebrew] Genesis 31: 47 - Suffix -UT

Isaac Fried if at math.bu.edu
Thu Nov 29 02:31:52 EST 2007


I do not think that [hu'] (3ms anaphoric pronoun) and [hi'] (3fs  
anaphoric pronoun) form a minimal pair. In fact I have not seen yet a  
convincing argument as even to the mere existence of such a minimum.
In any event, you may be right in thinking that we should part now  
and let matters cool off for some time.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Nov 29, 2007, at 1:52 AM, David Kummerow wrote:

> Before I commit to what I said about entirely retiring from this  
> discussion:
> 1. Typological analysis of known human languages has convincingly  
> demonstrated that human language minimally requires three vowels.
> 2. Since you obviously do not understand phonemics, let me briefly  
> demonstrate: [hu'] (3ms anaphoric pronoun) and [hi'] (3ms anaphoric  
> pronoun) form a minimal pair allowing for the identification of the  
> phonemes /u/ and /i/. They are thus phonemes -- not identity  
> markers. The fact that they may be used as such is entirely  
> secondary -- which means that not every 'u' or 'i' is an identity  
> marker. Other linguistic criteria isolate these phonemes as vowels,  
> distinguishing them from the consonantal phonemes.
> 3. The fact that you are oblivious to these facts necessitates that  
> you really should read up on basic linguistics and until you do so  
> your thoughts cannot be taken at all seriously.
> Regards,
> David Kummerow.
>> Which is an erroneous, and -- as always it seems -- linguistically  
>> unsubstantiated assumption on your part. Human beings are unable  
>> to speak such a theoretical construct and has been proven through  
>> the typological documentation of languages world-wide.
>> Regards,
>> David Kummerow.
>>> David,
>>> You have said
>>> "Actually, I said, and have said, a lot more than that."
>>> I know. I would greatly prefer, though, to stay focused on one  
>>> thing at a time.
>>> I have said it often and very clearly before, and I will say it  
>>> again:
>>> Every U and I in a Hebrew word is a universal identity marker  
>>> [aka personal pronoun], invariably. There is no such thing in  
>>> Hebrew as a "vowel", except for A. The idea of the vowel is an  
>>> alien carry-over into Hebrew from Indo-European grammar.
>>> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>>> On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:06 AM, David Kummerow wrote:

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