[b-hebrew] Ecclesiastes 3:11

Bryant J. Williams III bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Sat Nov 17 22:42:18 EST 2007


Dear Yitzhak,

Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar, 2nd Edited and Enlarged Edition by E. Kautzsch, from
the 26th German Edition. Fifteenth Impression, 1980.
Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yitzhak Sapir" <yitzhaksapir at gmail.com>
To: "b-hebrew Hebrew" <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ecclesiastes 3:11


> On Nov 17, 2007 8:01 PM, Bryant J. Williams III wrote:
> > Dear Yitzhak,
> >
> > Reference Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar, page 483, Para. 152y, #2. It states the
> > following:
>
> I am not sure what Gesenius you are quoting, but I think it would be
> nice to also
> reference the version that is online.  The statement about the
> negatives is here:
>
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=genpub;idno=ahy1993.1853.001;seq=00000276
> That about ?$r is here:
>
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=genpub;idno=ahy1993.1853.001;seq=00000097
>
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=genpub;idno=ahy1993.1853.001;seq=00000234
>
> I think the entry in HALOT on ?$r is also good.
>
> On ?$r we can also refer to research that Holmstedt has publicized online:
> http://individual.utoronto.ca/holmstedt/HolmstedtHabakkuk.pdf
> http://individual.utoronto.ca/holmstedt/HolmstedtDissertation.pdf (393 pages)
>
> I didn't read his dissertation yet.  However, I doubt that his conclusions
> differ from what I suggested -- In normative Biblical Hebrew, ?$r
> always introduces
> a clause, and separates between complete clauses.  "mbly" is not the
> end of a complete clause.  It can't be divided this way.  However, "mbly" is
> very similar to "without" and ?$r to "which", so that we could argue that the
> reading "without which" is justified if we adopt some non-normative syntax.
> But we still have to explain the non-normative syntax.  Greek influence
> may provide the solution to this, but I don't know Greek to know if it would
> have provided such influence.
>
> Yitzhak Sapir
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