[b-hebrew] Definite Article 7:14

Bryant J. Williams III bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Sun Jul 15 17:06:53 EDT 2007


Dear Joe,

First, you can call me Bryant.

Second, Ahaz is specifically mentioned as not "wanting to tempt the Lord" by
asking for a sign. This, as Isaiah states in the next verse, is just a cover
up for UNBELIEF.

En Xristwi,

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Definite Article 7:14


>
> In a message dated 7/15/2007 1:12:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
> bjwvmw at com-pair.net writes:
>
> Dear  Joe,
>
> See the following quote from Jamieson-Fausset-Brown, Volume II,
Job-Isaiah,
> Jer.-Mal., page 586:
>
> "...
> It should be noted that the  discussion is not the meaning of "virgin"
which
> has been covered in  previous sessions (see archives on B-Hebrew and
B-Greek
> and respective  passages), but on the use of the article being definite.
It
> appears that  way in Genesis 3:15, "THE woman," et al. It is clear that
God,
> through  Isaiah, wants to make it quite clear to Ahaz that a "definite
> virgin" is  clearly in mind and is known. Who that "virgin" is or whether
I
> agree with  the above quote that it refers to "Isaiah's second wife" is
not
> the issue.  That is a speculative thought, albeit may fit the context of
> 8:1ff. What is  the issue is that the "article" is definite regardless
> whether it refers to  Isaiah's wife/betrothed or another's wife/betrothed
who
> is a virgin, of  marriageable age and presumed to be a virgin unless
> otherwise indicated. It  is not used in a generic and indefinite sense in
> this  passage.
>
> Furthermore, the actual sign given to Ahaz is prove to him,  even in his
> unbelief as a descendant of David that the promise of II Samuel  7 is an
> unconditional promise to have a descendant on the throne of David
regardless
> of the two kings who were trying to force is hand. Therefore,  the article
is
> used to point in that direction.
>
> En  Xristwi,
>
> Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
>
>
>
>
> Hi Reverend. I generally agree with the above regarding the definite
article
> issue (I do not agree
> regarding the young woman/virgin issue). I agree with the other side
though
> that the definite
> article by itself does not prove that the woman was known to Ahaz. I also
> think the other side has
> provided evidence that Ahaz did not know the specific woman such as lack
of
> a name, possible
> generic use of the definite article, time delay to prophecy fulfillment
and
> possible consideration
> of Ahaz as symbolic representative of Isreal as a whole. Another
> consideration is that Ahaz is
> portrayed as not listening to Isaiah and therefore not wanting a sign so
the
> picture may be one
> of Ahaz covering his ears, looking away and saying, "I'm not listening,
lah
> la lah."
>
>
>
> Joseph Wallack
>
>
>
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