[b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die

Isaac Fried if at math.bu.edu
Tue Apr 17 15:13:50 EDT 2007


The relationship between Hebrew and Arabic is enigmatic and I am not  
prepared to be sucked now into this murky vortex.

I don't know why the Arabs say ANA where the Hebrews say ANI, or why  
the Arabs say ANTA where the Hebrews say ATA, or why the arabs say  
ANTI where the Hebrews say AT, or why the Arabs say ANTUNA where the  
Hebrews say ATEN.

One thing is crystal clear (at least to me), which is that the  
inflections of the Arabic QATALA are, as in Hebrew, invariably a root  
plus a personal pronoun referring to the perpetrating agent or actor.  
At one time they were distinct words, but then they came near and got  
fused into one word.

I don't discount the possibility that at one time at some place ATU  
was used for ANI, for the simple reason that the personal pronouns  
are, in my opinion, by themselves compounds. Everything in nature is  
a compound, even atoms are compounds.

My comprehensive answer to your remark is as follows:

1. At first the personal pronouns were just the U (SHURUK) and I  
(XIRIK) sounds. They are still such (and gender independent) when put  
between the radical letter, say LUKAX = L-U-KAX, 'he was taken',  
LUKXAH = L-U-KX-AH, 'she was taken'. The O, E sounds were introduced  
later, and are still absent in Arabic.

2. The stand-alone personal pronouns are compounds of the  
substantives (existence markers, fundamental concepts) AN-NA, AT-TA,  
AT-HEM. All is left in ATAH is a silent H, and even this fell off in AT.

3. In the same way, on the face of it, the arabic ANTI = AN-AT-I.

4. The personal pronoun ANI is used for 'I', but ATI is left frozen  
in compounds. If LAKAXNU is obviously LAKAX-ANU, then LAKAXTI is  
obviously LAKAX-ATI. For some reason Hebrew uses LAKXU = LAKAX-U,  
instead of LAKXEM = LAKAX-HEM.

5. In the Genitive, Hebrew uses instead of ATA, AKA, as in SHELKA =  
SHEL-AKA, 'yours'. In place of AT it uses AK as in SHELAK = SHEL-AK,  
and instead of ATEM it uses AKEM as in SHELAKEM = SHEL-AKEM.

6. Personal pronoun additions are piled up in Hebrew: LKAXTANI =  
LAKAX-ATA-ANI, 'you carried me off', LKAXTIHU = LAKAX-ATI-HU, 'I  
carried him off', and so on.

How do I know all this? If you come to think of it, it cannot be  

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Apr 16, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Uri Hurwitz wrote:

>   Isaac Fried  wrote, inter alia:
> ..."The statement QATALTI is essentially the mere combination
>  QATAL-ATI,where ATI is an obsolete form of ANI, 'I', "...
>       In Arabic the equivalent form for the first person is QATALTU
>   -- now according to the same method, do we postulate in this case
>  an obsolete form -ATU  for the first person?  The first person
>  in Arabic is: 'ANA'
>    Uri Hurwitz
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