[b-hebrew] Fwd: New or Renewed in Jeremiah 31:31?

davidfentonism at aim.com davidfentonism at aim.com
Sun Apr 15 00:18:09 EDT 2007

   We have moved from OT to NT, so I will say this only. It says "you must be born from above" not "born again." i will speak more with you off-list.
 Gal. 27-29: For as many as have had a tevilah into Moshiach have clothed yourselves with Moshiach. There is not Yehudi nor Yevani (Greek), there is not eved (servant) nor ben chorin (freedman), there is not zachar (male) nor nekevah (female), for you are all echad in Moshiach Yehoshua/Yeshua. And, if you belong to Moshiach (YESHAYAH 53:10), then you are of the ZERAH of Avraham Avinu, you are yoreshim (heirs) according to the havtachah (promise).   
 -----Original Message-----
 From: hholmyard3 at earthlink.net
 To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
 Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 3:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] New or Renewed in Jeremiah 31:31?
  Dear David,
> To speak simply, the xian idea of a renewing of the mind or being born 
> again is the same idea. The mind is not really new and a person is not 
> actually reborn and yet they are renewed in both instances.

HH: First, we are getting away from Hebrew into Greek, and from OT to 
NT. But you are really making my point about Jeremiah 31:31-33 for me 
because the NT does not call it a "renewed birth" but a "new birth":

1Pet. 1:3  Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In 
his great mercy he has given us NEW BIRTH into a living hope through the 
resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 

A "renewed birth" would imply that the same physical birth we 
experienced long ago was occurring again. But the NT is talking about a 
different kind of birth, a spiritual birth. So it calls it a new birth, 
not a renewed birth. Similarly, Jeremiah is not talking about renewing 
the Mosaic covenant but of making a different kind of covenant. So he 
properly designates it a "new covenant." I have some other points to 
make about your comment, but I will address them to you off-list since 
they are somewhat unrelated to the Hebrew Bible. The list should be 
aware that you are somewhat improperly characterizing the Christian view 
on the topics you raise, though there is a modicum of truth in what you say.

Harold Holmyard

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