[b-hebrew] Fwd: New or Renewed in Jeremiah 31:31?

davidfentonism at aim.com davidfentonism at aim.com
Sun Apr 15 00:17:04 EDT 2007

  How interesting, Gary, of all the relevant sites you isolate one unofficial e-group, which is no more official than a yahoo knitting e-group, to state your opinion of a sect of Scriptural Judaism which has been in continuous existence since the time of Y'shua haNatzaret. In fact, I'm on the list you mention and the moderator rarely participates if at all and when he does it is to post excerpts from texts he has for sale or is in the process of writing. He also solicits funds for his endeavors as you have pointed out. I do respect the fact that he allows the type of freedom of discussion Yitzhak and some others have recently argued as a more scholarly ideal.
 At any rate, if in the future you want to point to authentic sources of the Judeo-Christian sect to slander them, don't use a yahoo group but www.shemayisrael.com.il ; or www.netzarim.co.il (one of my favorites) or www.mechon-mamre.org or www.nazaraean.org just for starters or especially Jerusalem Perspective Online (a big favorite). Of course, each Orthodox Jewish Community has its own Beit Din but the sites describe respectively what a convert from the Antinomian faiths would have to do. Even in Yisra'El today there are 10,000 openly professing Jewish believers in Y'shua Mashiakh and more if you count all Yisraelites.
 Best regards,
 David Fenton
 Gal. 27-29: For as many as have had a tevilah into Moshiach have clothed yourselves with Moshiach. There is not Yehudi nor Yevani (Greek), there is not eved (servant) nor ben chorin (freedman), there is not zachar (male) nor nekevah (female), for you are all echad in Moshiach Yehoshua/Yeshua. And, if you belong to Moshiach (YESHAYAH 53:10), then you are of the ZERAH of Avraham Avinu, you are yoreshim (heirs) according to the havtachah (promise).   
 -----Original Message-----
 From: garyh at cjfm.org
      Isaac, I was curious so I did a little research this a.m. and found
some of these names on an online "Nazarene" Yahoo discussion group.
Evidently, they consider themselves a sect of Judaism rather than
Jewish-Christian.  And as you point out, they have some creative ways of
expressing the Hebrew.  It looks like some of them are non-Jewish people who
have assumed Hebrew names and "converted" to Nazarene Judaism, so probably
most of them don't even speak Hebrew, although they are apparently quite
adept in the use of a Strong's Concordance.
    This is all very entertaining and I wish I had more time to look
into it, but you can find more info at www.nazarene.net. Or you can go to
http://groups.yahoo.com and search the INJS archives.  INJS is run by some
unfortunate chap who keeps telling the faithful that his house is about to
be repossessed and they should send him money quickly via PayPal.
    You guys can take it from here, if you're interested.  At least now
we know why they have so much invested in converting the "new covenant" of
Jer. 31:31 to a "renewed covenant."  

Gary Hedrick
San Antonio, Texas USA

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[mailto:b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Isaac Fried
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:50 AM
To: Yohanan bin-Dawidh
Cc: b-hebrew
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] New or Renewed in Jeremiah 31:31?


I am just curious, but why do you write 'BIN' with an 'I'? Do you  
come from a tradition where SEGOL and TSEREH are pronounced as a  
XIRIK, or is it just in honor of YEHOSHUA BIN NUN? Then, why do you  
write 'dawidh' (as in "Shlomo bin-Dawidh", apparently SHLOMO BEN  
DAVID) with a final 'h'?

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Apr 13, 2007, at 7:25 AM, Yohanan bin-Dawidh wrote:
> I think after looking through the Miq'ra, the only place where I  
> could find
> ????????? not to speak about the Torah given through Mosheh  
> bin-Amram was in
> Sefer Mishlei where Shlomo bin-Dawidh uses the term to speak about his
> instructions to his children.
> Yohanan bin-Dawidh
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