[b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17

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Fri Apr 13 01:18:06 EDT 2007

 EXCELLENT, Yohanan.
 David Fenton
 Gal. 27-29: For as many as have had a tevilah into Moshiach have clothed yourselves with Moshiach. There is not Yehudi nor Yevani (Greek), there is not eved (servant) nor ben chorin (freedman), there is not zachar (male) nor nekevah (female), for you are all echad in Moshiach Yehoshua/Yeshua. And, if you belong to Moshiach (YESHAYAH 53:10), then you are of the ZERAH of Avraham Avinu, you are yoreshim (heirs) according to the havtachah (promise).   
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 From: yohanan.bin.dawidh at gmail.com
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 Sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 6:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17
  Dear Gary,

There is not forced translation here - the text states that this B'rit
Hadashah is the writing of His Torah within the hearts of B'nai Yisra'el. I
read the Christian arguments about ".....this could be the law of......"
making there to be more than one Torah, but such is not the case. It is
evident that this speaks of the Torah given us through Mosheh bin-Amram from
our Creator. The only difference between this, and the original covenant is
that now it will be inscribed upon our hearts, rather than in a scroll for
us to read.

As to the etimology of the word Hadashah, is it not linked to the word
Hodesh, which is the word the Miq'ra uses constantly to refer to the "new
moon", something which truly is no new, but rather it renews itself every
month? I think this is where the concept of this being a renewed covenant
rather than a new covenant derives.

Yohanan bin-Dawidh

On 4/11/07, Gary Hedrick <garyh at cjfm.org> wrote:
>        This nuance of meaning ("new" vs. "renewed") sounded interesting,
> so
> I looked it up in Jer. 31:31 and it's berit chadashah--"new
> covenant."  The
> Berit HaChadashah (the Heb. NT) has the same wording in Heb. 12:24.  So
> where does "renewed" come from?  The Hebrew word for "renewed" is
> Mechudeshet, not Chadashah.
>        We have learned from experience that very often, a forced
> translation like this is driven by some sort of ideological agenda.  Is
> that
> true here?
> Gary Hedrick
> San Antonio, Texas USA
> -----Original Message-----
> Actually, the Jeremiah passage you cite does not say "new: but it says
> b'rit
> chadashah (renewed covenant). If you want a concise explanation (excerpt
> below) of the eternal covenant go to
> http://www.revelations.org.za/Eternal_Life.htm and it quickly do that,
> Harold. I know your questions/commentary is sincere and so I only hope to
> respond true to my own understanding which is still developing.
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