[b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17
hholmyard3 at earthlink.net
Wed Apr 11 17:01:47 EDT 2007
>> HH: Actually, the Mosaic law was given to a specific people, not all
>> people. It was given to the descendants of Jacob (not, for example,
>> to the descendants of Esau, who were excluded). But of course others
>> could and did join them. You are right that foreigners could
>> participate in the Israelite religion, but they had to act like
>> Israelites if they were do so:
> Indeed, Harold, and this is the background to my suggestion that
> Isaiah 56:3-8 may simply be a restatement of this principle, that
> foreigners are welcome to participate in Israelite religion, that it
> was never intended to be a simply racial religion.
HH: I never said it was intended to be "a simply racial religion."
> By the way, I am taking Isaiah 56 as the start of a new section, as
> many scholars do, and not so much linked to chapters 51-55.
HH: The wording in Isa 56:1 is quite like that in Isa 51:5.
> How far these are intended to be future is another issue. I don't see
> the distant future in chapter 55; verses 12-13 are what will happen
> (symbolically) in the immediate future to those who accept the
> invitation of verses 1-7.
HH: I think Isaiah 55:12-13 is talking about something that has never
happened yet. It is of a piece with Isaiah 35. Other related passages
include 41:17-2-0, 43:19-20, 44:23, 48:21-22, 49:9-11.
> I don't see 56:1 "close at hand ... will soon be revealed" as temporal
> at all, there is no "soon" in the Hebrew but only QAROB which means
> "near", usually in space.
HH: The word "near" can be used of time:
Num. 24:17 “I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star
will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush
the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth.
Deut. 32:17 They sacrificed to demons, which are not God — gods they had
not known, gods that recently (MQRB) appeared, gods your fathers did not
Deut. 32:35 It is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot
will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them.”
HH: This temporal meaning is present elsewhere in Isaiah:
Is. 13:6 Wail, for the day of the LORD is near; it will come like
destruction from the Almighty.
Is. 13:22 Hyenas will howl in her strongholds, jackals in her luxurious
palaces. Her time is at hand (WQRWB), and her days will not be prolonged.
HH: The phrase LBW), "to come," is a temporal phrase in Isa 13:22, and I
see no reason to think that it functions differently in Isa 56:1. The
imperfect of BW) occurs in Isa 13:6. It is a normal way to mark time in
other prophets as well, this temporal conjunction of QRB and BW):
Jer 48:16; Ezek 7:7; Joel 1:15; Joel 2:1;
HH: I believe it is temporal in Isa 56:1, as in Isa 51:5.
> Perhaps the "foreigners joined to the LORD" of 56:3 felt their
> position under threat, or felt unwelcome in the temple, but the
> prophet writes that they should not do, that their offerings are also
> acceptable. I don't say that this has no future relevance, but it has
> a future relevance because it is timelessly true, at least while the
> temple stands.
HH: I already explained my thinking. I understand your point of view,
and there is a certain validity to it, but certainly most understand the
context to be temporal in Isa 56:1. Check the major translations:
KJV: Is. 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for
my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
NIV: Is. 56:1 This is what the LORD says: “Maintain justice and do
what is right, for my salvation is close at hand and my righteousness
will soon be revealed.
NRSV: Is. 56:1 Thus says the LORD:
Maintain justice, and do what is right,
for soon my salvation will come,
and my deliverance be revealed.
NASB: Thus says the LORD, "Preserve justice and do righteousness, For My
salvation is about to come And My righteousness to be revealed.
NLT: "Be just and fair to all," says the LORD. "Do what is right and
good, for I am coming soon to rescue you
GNB (or TEV): The Lord says to his people, "Do what is just and right,
for soon I will save you.
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