[b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17
rosewalk at concentric.net
Wed Apr 11 00:55:36 EDT 2007
So what do I, or any of us Jews who spend our time observing Torah
and learning it as best we can, each to our own ability, care what
And I don't know what Hebrew or other schools you attended, or what
they taught you, or what their strengths or deficiencies in education
were, or that of your family, or what college, or what rabbis you
talked to, that is not my responsibility.
And what, are you asking ME to give you exact sources, verses, in all
of Talmud, Midrash, Mishna, Kabbala, Rashi, Rambam, Ramban, Radak,
Zohar, Ramchal, Arizal, and all of the Neviim, and Shoftim, and
Tannaim and Rishonim and Acharonim, etc., etc., etc., all of the
transmitters of Mesorah, which we know exactly who each and every one
of them were, in every generation, - you are asking ME to prove to
you that there is Torah She'B'al Peh which was given to Moshe
together with Torah She'B'chtav, and was even given to Adam HaRishon,
after he repented for three days, and transmitted from him to every
worthy person in every generation (How did Noach know which were the
"clean, ie' kosher, animals before the Torah was given to us formally
as a People, which the Torah records that he took seven of those, and
two of all the rest into the Teiva? - and how, by the way, do you
think that he managed all of them, without being able to communicate
with them, and in order to do that, from Whom do you think he got
that little bit of information?) just because of the deficiency of
your Jewish education?
If you truly want to know, you will seek til you find the answer, it
is not my job to educate you. Or maybe you can just read Torah and
some basic Commentaries seriously.
They didn't have to claim it - they didn't have to prove themselves
to ignoramuses like me and you - they were living, breathing,
sleeping Torah! They were working to perfect themselves, their
personal attributes, their devotions, etc. for this one and only
purpose - to become worthy to know Torah, in its depths, as deep as
they were qualified to learn. Who would EVER question them as you
If you want to know, you have to study Torah, it is not MY burden of proof.
> From: Shoshanna Walker
> Romans is not the word of G-d, it doesn't even allege that.
2 Peter 3:16 says that Paul's writings are Scripture.
Thank you for writing. Where do the Talmud, Mishnah and Rashi commentaries
claim to be the word of God?
I was raised Orthodox and went to Hebrew school and Hebrew college, and I
was not taught that the Talmud, Mishnah or Rashi were part of the word of
God. My mother told us that the Talmud was written by sages much wiser than
us, but we did not believe that it was the word of God like the Tanach is.
I have talked to many rabbis, and I have never met any who believe like you
seem to, that Rashi's commentary is the authoritative explanation of the
Here is a previous post on the subject by Yitzhak Saphir:
>>The idea that there is an oral law equally as authoritative as the
>>written law is highly dubious to me. You say that this prevents
>>mistranslation, but it allows the importation of every kind of merely
>>human idea and even perversion of God's word. God warns against adding
>>to his word, and a proposed "oral law" does just that. It presents
>>something as having the same authority as the written word, from what
>>you say, and thereby adds to God's word.
>However, Shoshanna's interpretation of Rashi and Midrash as part of this
>oral law is not shared by all Jews. It is an extreme interpretation that
>essentially says that Rashi or the Rabbis of the Midrash whom he often
>quotes was not a great scholar but simply a scribe who wrote something
>handed down to him from the days of Moses. While that may describe
>much of his work (much of Rashi is effectively quotes from the Midrash),
>he was also a great scholar and a true understanding of Rashi can only
>be achieved by seeing all his quoted sources (which are many!) and
>identifying which parts he chose to quote, which he chose not to quote,
>what he chose to add of his own, and answering why he chose to do what
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