[b-hebrew] dying you will die

Shoshanna Walker rosewalk at concentric.net
Fri Apr 6 17:17:09 EDT 2007

I am claiming the former, because, as I have said time and time again 
on this list, there is an Oral Torah that was given to Moshe to give 
over at the Revelation, but which was also known to the righteous of 
previous generations (ie; Adam, Noah, Shem....), handed down 
generation after generation to a select few, that contains a great 
deal of information that the written Torah does not contain, but 
alludes to, and if you think you can learn it by means of Hebrew 
linguistics, then you are mistaken.

Now if you want to know where all this information has been written 
down, that is another question.

Shabbat Shalom

Chag Sameach


If by what you wrote, you mean that Adam was already immortal before sin,
but then lost his immortality, then I would like to know where you are
finding that, because while that is claimed overwhelmingly, I cannot find
any evidence for it.  If however you are referring to the fact that
immortality was only available in the eating from the Tree of Life, then I
am in agreement since this is what is clearly stated in God's Word.

Scott McAliley

>There is nothing redundant in the Torah.  It doesn't mean you will
>surely die.  It means that from that day on you will be subject to
>death, as Adam was at first created to me immortal.
>And there is NO reference or hint or prediction of Jesus here.
> >
> >4. On the textual side, all I said was that I am unhappy with the
> >translation of MOT TA-MUT as "you will surely die". The word 'surely'
> >is, in my humble opinion, surely
> >redundant.
> >
> >Isaac Fried, Boston University
> >
> >On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Scott McAliley wrote:
> >
> >> Isaac,
> >>   I am too ignorant of Hebrew to even understand most of your
> >> commentary, but I appreciate it.  To my shame, the only part I
> >> understood was the conclusion.  And that still leaves me wondering,
> >> was the process of death that you refer to, Tamut, already
> >> happening, and would certainly come to fruition if they did not
> >> take the action of eating of the tree of life?
> >>
> >> As far as the rest of your comments, you'll need to dumb them down
> >> for me.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Scott McAliley
> >>
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