[b-hebrew] Daniel 9:25

Lisbeth S. Fried lizfried at umich.edu
Tue Sep 5 21:32:40 EDT 2006


How does it make clear that it is not the high priest?
That is who the leader was in the second temple period.
How does the time constraint not work?
Liz Fried

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Miller [mailto:smille10 at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:45 PM
> To: 'Lisbeth S. Fried'; 'B-Hebrew'
> Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Daniel 9:25
> 
> "maschiach" can refer to a high priest, but "maschiach nageed" makes it
> clear that this is not a Levitical priest. Also, the time constraint does
> not work as pointed out by Harold.
> -Steve
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
> > bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lisbeth S. Fried
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:26 PM
> > To: 'B-Hebrew'
> > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel 9:25
> >
> > Dear All,
> > You're forgetting the high priest, always the anointed leader of his
> > people.
> > (e.g. Lev. 8:12).
> > It is probably Onias III or Simon II (the one described in Ben Sira).
> > Simon
> > II is credited with restoring Jerusalem. Onias III is cut off and has
> > nothing.
> > The troops destroying the sanctuary are those of Antiochus IV.
> > Liz Fried
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
> > > bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Miller
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:15 PM
> > > To: 'Yonah Mishael'; 'B-Hebrew'
> > > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel 11:22
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Yonah Mishael Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006
> > > >
> > > > Translating נגיד as "prince" has also led to Christians translating
> > > > 9:25 of Daniel as "Messiah the Prince," although משיח נגיד would
maybe
> > > > better be understood as "an anointed ruler" (indefinite) or "an
> > > > exalted anointed one" (if נגיד be understood as the adjective
> > > > modifying משיח).
> > > >
> > > > What do you make of this?
> > > >
> > > > Yonah
> > > >
> > > Yes, Yonah, I agree with you on the meaning of nageed as ruler. In
Dan.
> > > 9:25, who could "mashiach nageed" refer to? The words "mashiach
nageed"
> > > could refer to Cyrus, or an anointed leader of Israel, or to the
> > promised
> > > Messiah. The verse says that "mashiach nageed" is to come either 49
yrs
> > or
> > > 693 years after the word to restore and build Jerusalem. This couldn't
> > be
> > > Cyrus because the word to restore and build Jerusalem was given by
Cyrus
> > > (and later Persian kings). Neither was there an outstanding anointed
> > ruler
> > > of Israel meeting this time criteria. Thus "maschiach nageed" in
> > Dan.9:25
> > > must mean the Messiah.
> > > -Steve Miller
> > > Detroit
> > > www.voiceinwilderness.info
> > >
> > >
> > >
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