[b-hebrew] Daniel 9:25

Shoshanna Walker rosewalk at concentric.net
Tue Sep 5 15:49:29 EDT 2006


In the translation I am looking at, Mashiach Nagid is translated as 
the annointment of the prince.  The prince in verse 25 is Cyrus, the 
Nagid in verse 26 is Aprippa, the last Jewish king, and the prince in 
verse 26 is Titus (the people of the prince will come and destroy the 
Sanctuary) - according to Rashi.

Verse 25:  The 'septets' refer to full 7 years cycles.  The prince of 
this verse is Cyrus, who gave permission to rebuild Jerusalem and the 
Temple.  He ascended to the throne 52 years (seven septets plus 3 
years) after the exile had begun.  From then until the second 
destruction of Jerusalem was 438 years (62 septets plus 4 years)

Verse 26:  Agrippa, the last Jewish king, at the end of the Second 
Temple Era.  After his death, the prince of this verse, the Roman 
Titus, would command the destruction of the Temple, which will not be 
rebuilt until after the War of Gog and Magog, in Messianic times.

Shoshanna



Dear All,
You're forgetting the high priest, always the anointed leader of his people.
(e.g. Lev. 8:12).
It is probably Onias III or Simon II (the one described in Ben Sira). Simon
II is credited with restoring Jerusalem. Onias III is cut off and has
nothing.
The troops destroying the sanctuary are those of Antiochus IV.
Liz Fried

> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
> bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Miller
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:15 PM
> To: 'Yonah Mishael'; 'B-Hebrew'
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel 11:22
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Yonah Mishael Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006
> >
> > Translating •’È“ as "prince" has also led to Christians translating
> > 9:25 of Daniel as "Messiah the Prince," although Ó˜ÈÁ •’È“ would maybe
> > better be understood as "an anointed ruler" (indefinite) or "an
> > exalted anointed one" (if •’È“ be understood as the adjective
> > modifying Ó˜ÈÁ).
> >
> > What do you make of this?
> >
> > Yonah
> >
> Yes, Yonah, I agree with you on the meaning of nageed as ruler. In Dan.
> 9:25, who could "mashiach nageed" refer to? The words "mashiach nageed"
> could refer to Cyrus, or an anointed leader of Israel, or to the promised
> Messiah. The verse says that "mashiach nageed" is to come either 49 yrs or
> 693 years after the word to restore and build Jerusalem. This couldn't be
> Cyrus because the word to restore and build Jerusalem was given by Cyrus
> (and later Persian kings). Neither was there an outstanding anointed ruler
> of Israel meeting this time criteria. Thus "maschiach nageed" in Dan.9:25
> must mean the Messiah.
> -Steve Miller
> Detroit
> www.voiceinwilderness.info
>
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