[b-hebrew] Judges 16:30 - Verb with no use, MY PROBLEM!

kgraham0938 at comcast.net kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Fri Oct 6 13:58:24 EDT 2006


Yeah, I thought it was a little bit of a stretch as well but I think these things are interesting none the less.  I don't think I agree with it but it is something that I considered.
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Kelton Graham 
KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net

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From: "Yonah Mishael" <yonahmishael at gmail.com> 

> On 10/5/06, B. M. Rocine wrote: 
> > Hi Kelton, 
> > 
> > Re Gen 2:25, they came into being naked. That means from the start, 
> > from their being created, they were naked. The verse is not just saying 
> > that they were naked (read verbless clause, sheneyhem `arumiym). It is 
> > stating that they came about or came into being naked (read wayyiqtol 
> > clause, vayyihyu sheneyhem `arumiym). 
> > 
> > Re 2Chr 20:25, we can read it "three days transpired (vayyihyu) 
> > plundering the spoil..." or "Those plundering the spoil did their thing 
> > (vayyihyu) three days..." I think the word order recommends the former. 
> > 
> > Shalom, 
> > Bryan 
> > 
> 
> WOW. I read Karl's comment above as well as yours, Bryan, but I think 
> that this is stretching. This verse is not saying that "God created 
> them naked," althought this is surely how they came to be naked. It is 
> simply saying that "they were naked" as part of the story line because 
> it became important that both (1) the serpent was also (RWM (in this 
> instance, "crafty" or the like) and (2) their nakedness became the 
> sign to them that they knew good and evil. Hence, God asking them, MY 
> HDYS LK KY (YRM )TH [מי הגיד לך כי עירם אתה] -- "Who has told 
> you that 
> you [were] naked?" I cannot agree that there is any sense of 
> "becoming" in Genesis 2:25 when it was announced that the two were 
> naked. 
> 
> The fact that they were both naked and "felt no shame" L) YTB$$W was 
> part of the main storyline, and this explains why HYH was elevated and 
> placed in the WYQTWL form. This form elevates what would normally be 
> only a verbless clause into primary material and separates it from 
> what came before ("for this reason a man shall leave his father and 
> mother etc...."). 
> 
> Regards, 
> Yonah 
> 
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> Joplin, MO 
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