[b-hebrew] Judges 16:30 - Verb with no use, MY PROBLEM!

B. M. Rocine brocine at twcny.rr.com
Thu Oct 5 23:09:50 EDT 2006

Hi Yonah,

Well, since we got a "WOW" out of you, let me press the issue.

You accept that the wayyiqtol sentence is story line.  Explain how the 
expression of a state or condition such as "they were naked" can be part 
of a story line.

I think you are right that the sentence with the wayyiqtol verb is part 
of the story line, but *your English sentence* sounds like background 

My English sentence does sound like story line.

I seem to be disagreeing with your translation, but it is really more 
than that.  I think I disagree with you about what the Hebrew sentence 


Yonah Mishael wrote:
> On 10/5/06, B. M. Rocine <brocine at twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>> Hi Kelton,
>> Re Gen 2:25, they came into being naked.  That means from the start,
>> from their being created, they were naked.  The verse is not just saying
>> that they were naked (read verbless clause, sheneyhem `arumiym).  It is
>> stating that they came about or came into being naked (read wayyiqtol
>> clause, vayyihyu sheneyhem `arumiym).
>> Re 2Chr 20:25, we can read it "three days transpired (vayyihyu)
>> plundering the spoil..." or "Those plundering the spoil did their thing
>> (vayyihyu) three days..."  I think the word order recommends the former.
>> Shalom,
>> Bryan
> WOW. I read Karl's comment above as well as yours, Bryan, but I think
> that this is stretching. This verse is not saying that "God created
> them naked," althought this is surely how they came to be naked. It is
> simply saying that "they were naked" as part of the story line because
> it became important that both (1) the serpent was also (RWM (in this
> instance, "crafty" or the like) and (2) their nakedness became the
> sign to them that they knew good and evil. Hence, God asking them, MY
> HDYS LK KY (YRM )TH [מי הגיד לך כי עירם אתה] -- "Who has told you that
> you [were] naked?" I cannot agree that there is any sense of
> "becoming" in Genesis 2:25 when it was announced that the two were
> naked.
> The fact that they were both naked and "felt no shame" L) YTB$$W was
> part of the main storyline, and this explains why HYH was elevated and
> placed in the WYQTWL form. This form elevates what would normally be
> only a verbless clause into primary material and separates it from
> what came before ("for this reason a man shall leave his father and
> mother etc....").
> Regards,
> Yonah

B. M. Rocine
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