[b-hebrew] Judges 16:30 - Verb with no use, MY PROBLEM!

kgraham0938 at comcast.net kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Tue Oct 3 18:26:55 EDT 2006

Hello Peter, 

I am curious about your statement about WAYIH:YW = become as opposed to 'were.'  What do you think is the difference btw Judges 16:30 and Genesis 2:25?

WAYIH:YW $N"HEM `RWMMIYM....  would you translate this as "They became naked.." or am I misreading your point?  Thanks

Kelton Graham 
KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Peter Kirk <peter at qaya.org> 

> On 03/10/2006 18:08, Chris and Nel wrote: 
> > ... I am so used to 
> > reading sentences without "to be " in them that I still can not fathom its 
> > purpose here, considering that without it I actually arrived at the correct 
> > translation without looking at the English. 
> > 
> > Now can someone be kind enough pleeeease..... to relieve me of my making a 
> > fool of 
> > myself on this board? 
> > 
> > 
> The distinction may be that sentences in which "to be" is omitted are 
> usually (always?) stative, indicating a continuing state, like English 
> "be", whereas those starting with WAYHIY, and here with its plural form 
> WAYIHYUW, indicate actions, like English "became". Thus a literal 
> translation would be "And the dead... became more than the dead...". The 
> meaning is of course "More people died... than...", an action. A 
> translation like Kelton's "Those who were dead ... *were* many, more 
> than..." is misleading because it suggests a state, a count of bodies 
> already dead. But in fact we have an action here, a large number of 
> people dying. (Dare I suggest a prototype of today's suicide bombers, 
> except here we have an Israelite killing Gentiles in Gaza?) 
> -- 
> Peter Kirk 
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