[b-hebrew] accent mark question Ps 45:7 and Dagesh in Isaiah 8:11

kgraham0938 at comcast.net kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Mon Oct 31 16:26:01 EST 2005


@Yitzhak:

Cool, thanks alot I appreciate it.  I was just double checking against the NWT of 

"God is your throne to time indefinite, even ever more."

I knew that was weird but it is always best to double check.

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Kelton Graham 
KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net

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> On 10/31/05, Kelton Graham wrote: 
> > @yitzhak: 
> > 
> > Let me ask you something, giving the munah, one cannot translate 
> > this as "God, is your throne for ever and ever." 
> > 
> > In otherwords the subject/predicate can't flip flop. 
> 
> The Massoretic marks can't provide that. There are only two possibilities 
> from the Massoretic marks: either "ksak )lhm" is a unified block or it is 
> divided into two. If it was divided into two, the verse would read: 
> 
> [ Your throne ] { [ God ] [ eternal ] } 
> 
> Translated meaning, "Your throne, God is eternal"? I am not sure what 
> that means. I guess this means that the division of this verse portion is 
> rather straightforward. 
> 
> > And which do you think is stronger translation? 
> > 
> > Your throne, O God... 
> > vs 
> > Your throne is God... 
> 
> Like I said, I understand that vs 3 reads "God blesses you forever" and 
> starting with vs 4 reads the blessing to his king. So God can't be speaking 
> to Himself. God is speaking to His king, blessing him, saying He is the 
> foundation for his throne/reign. 
> 
> > In regards to Isaiah 8:11, if this is a piel this would mean that bible works 
> > is in error, for they mark this as a qal imperfect 3 masculine singular. I 
> > usually don't go against bible works, but in this case I can't see how they 
> > got there morphology. 
> 
> Perhaps by using a variant that I listed. None of the variants that I 
> pointed out 
> had a dagesh in the Samekh. Do they claim to follow the Ben Asher Codex? 
> The dagesh is clear at http://www.aleppocodex.org/aleppocodex.html 
> 
> Yitzhak Sapir 
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