[b-hebrew] Lev 21:18 - Passive Participle

Karl Randolph kwrandolph at email.com
Sat Oct 29 10:25:04 EDT 2005

Harold & Peter:

Yes I am skeptical. When I start by looking at the action 
involved, and see the argument put up by Jack that in 
other uses as well that XRM means to cut or mutilate, I 
see the same action, the same spelling, so that the only 
evidence for a different root being Arabic, I cannot help 
but discount your evidence for a different root. Your 
evidence (other than from Arabic) contradicts your 
claims that there are different roots.

Now I disagree with Jack, but that's a different story.

Karl W. Randolph.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kirk" <peter at qaya.org>
> On 28/10/2005 22:23, Harold R. Holmyard III wrote:
> > Dear Karl,
> >
> >
> >
> >> > HH: It's believed to be a different word in Hebrew, from a different
> >> > root having to do with what is split, pierced, or slit.
> >>
> >> Where's the evidence for such a root? What other words
> >> is that alternate root used in?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ... This root was recognized when BDB was put together; it 
> > mentions an Arabic cognate meaning to "perforate, pierce, slit 
> > the partition between the nostrils, or the lip, or the lobe of 
> > the ear." The Dictionary of Classical Hebrew also recognizes the 
> > root, as do translations (NET, HCSB).
> >
> >
> It is worth pointing out, even though no doubt Karl will be sceptical in
> view of his comments on ayin and ghayin, that there is good evidence for
> these being separate roots in that they have Arabic cognates with
> different spellings. The Arabic cognate of the word meaning "devote,
> destroy" is حرم starting with the Arabic letter hah (as in "haram"
> meaning "unclean"), whereas the Arabic cognate of the word meaning
> "perforate, pierce" etc is خرم starting with the Arabic letter khah,
> note the extra dot which indicates a velar or uvular fricative rather
> than a pharyngeal fricative. It is a regular rule that both of these
> Arabic letters correspond to Hebrew het, and indeed they were probably
> pronounced differently in Hebrew at the time when the Bible was written,
> in the same way as ayin and ghayin were probably pronounced differently.
> --
> Peter Kirk
> peter at qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk at qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/

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