[b-hebrew] prepositions and grammar

Read, James C K0434995 at kingston.ac.uk
Fri Oct 7 06:41:31 EDT 2005

So, in your opinion where exactly was the man moving to and from? From a state of 
death to a state of life?

Anyway, while into on its own has the basic meaning of entering it is clear that in 
the case of the phrasal verb 'to turn into' this is not the case. To turn into means 
to become.

May I offer you a spot of advice Vadim as you are quickly losing the respect of a great 
many members of this list? I appreciate your enthusiasm and your lively input to 
discussions and it's good to have mother speakers from many nationalities that can 
bring a different slant to the discussions. It is true that English speakers can fall 
into the trap of limiting their ideas of range of expression to their own language and 
it is for this reason than new English speaking students of biblical hebrew find it 
very hard to understand the concept of a tenseless language. 
The advice I would like to offer you is this. Sometimes it is better to yield even when 
you know you are right. If you never yield you come across as opinionated and unreasonable.
Whereas if you yield as often as you see the opportunity you show your objectiveness 
and reasonableness and these qualities will bring you much more respect from your peers 
on this list and in the future we will find it easier to consider that you have 
something valuable to say.

-----Original Message-----
From: Vadim Cherny [mailto:VadimCherny at mail.ru]
Sent: Fri 10/7/2005 7:38 AM
To: Read, James C
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] prepositions and grammar
RE: [b-hebrew] prepositions and grammar> How would you feel about the following translation:?

> 'and the man turned into a living creature.'

> This translation retains both the preposition and the sense of the phrase.

"Into" is more the preposition b, not l.
l means direction, moving somewhere, while b - actually entering it. Also, "into" describes a state, while l is spatial marker.

> P.S. I notice you didn't answer my question but merely adroitly sidestepped it

How would you translate 'has visto a Maria?'?

a)Have you seen Maria?
b)Have you seen to Maria?

Spanish "a" is a live object marker, irrelevant, as I wrote you earlier, to direct or indirect, or to a case. It need not be translated with "to."

Vadim Cherny

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