[b-hebrew] God vs angels in Ps 8:5

Karl Randolph kwrandolph at email.com
Fri Mar 25 17:04:02 EST 2005


Looking at this passage, it can be translated a couple of ways into English:

the way that seems best to me is to remember that )LHYM is sometimes used in plural where we would use a singular in English, so "You have made him lack (only) a little from (being) a god, you have surrounded (crowned) him with honor and grandeur." (that in paranthesis to make the English read more easily)

The other is to leave off the "a" in front of "god" which makes the whole a lot more awkward, as you say.

Karl W. Randolph.

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From: kgraham0938 at comcast.net

> 
> 
> Worknig on a paper here and I was wondering which way most people 
> translate Ps 8:5.  I was thinking maybe the LXX is the correct 
> translation because of the mem in front of Elohim.
> 
> You have made him lower than (mem) something else.  If the Psalmist 
> wanted to express God there.  He could have said you have made him 
> lower than yourself.
> 
> But I think the mem illustrates that God has made man lower than 
> something other than himself, namely angels or some sort of 
> heavenly being.
> --
> Kelton Graham
> KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net
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> 
> > On Thu 24 Mar 2005 (16:37:08 +0000), kgraham0938 at comcast.net 
> > wrote: > Hey what does everyone think about Psalm 8:1 > > 'A$ER 
> > TT:NAH HODKA, do you think this [TT:NAH]is a corruption of the > 
> > second masculine NTTH or imperfect TTN. [Verse 2 in the BHS.] 
> > This is the Qal 2ms imperative of NTN, a Pe Nun verb meaning to 
> > give or to set. The initial Nun disappears, and the medial Taw is 
> > the first letter. It has a Daghesh lene, meaning it is pronounced 
> > as a hard T and not Th (one of the letters Be:GaD:KePaT). But the 
> > sense "Set thou thy glory..." does not fit the context; so yes, 
> > there is a corruption: or at least an obscurity. Some emend the 
> > Imperative to a Perfect "who hast set thy glory...", which yields 
> > good sense. The LXX has EPHRQH hH MEGALOPREPIA SOU hUPERANW TWN 
> > OURANWN, so maybe the Hebrew text which the Seventy had before 
> > them had the Perfect. This is supported by the Targum, the 
> > Syriac, Symmachus and Jerome in his Vulgate. Compare Psalm 21:4 
> > [5 in BHS] where we have XaYYiM $a'aL MiMM:Ka *NaTaTTaH* LoW "he 
> > asked life of thee, thou gavest (it) to him". Compare also 
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