[b-hebrew] SV: Kitchen part II:
uhurwitz at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 22 11:26:21 EST 2005
Thanks for your answer to my question regarding Kitchen's criticisms.
I wonder , since the latter appear in a major scholarly work, whether you too plan to make your response known in a scholarly publication. This list, after all, is not designed to deal with such issues, although they are of course closely relevant to biblical texts; besides, the list's membership is very small, I think, in comparison with the much larger number in the scholarly community who are interested in the subject of historicity.
"Thomas L. Thompson" <tlt at teol.ku.dk> wrote:
This continues my previous post.
p. 450 TLT 1: Kitchen does not understand the statement. I am objecting to the characterization of these stories as retrojections.
451-2 TLT-2: He also misunderstands my position on Merneptah (Her one must read my article with Hjelm in JSOT 2003. Moreover the shifting signification of names refers to a limited group of names that have taken on mythic overtones in the Bible; namely Israel, Canaanites, Amorites and Philistines, not place names. Certainly anyone who has read my chapter on the Execration texts in my 1974 would not have confused this issue of genre.
452-3 TLT 3: I am glad that Kitchen agrees the name David is unusual. It is also Semitic. In this discussion, I argued that "House of X" does not necessarily bear dynastic significance in the Bible: See House of Johnathan, etc. I never have made a charge of forgery regarding this inscription. Rather, I have argued that there were two inscriptions, which George Athas has improved on by shifting the fragments from their first published positions. Finally, I have never written anything on an inscription from Tell Miqne.
453-4 TLT 4: If Kitchen means that Jerusalem's kings were paupers compared to Assyria's, Egypt's or Rome's, we are not far apart. I still maintain that Kitchen has never plastered a wall.
454f- TLT 5 On Jerusalem and Judea in the 10th century, Kitchen should read the whole discussion, esp my Early History, p. 288-293. I fear some clumsy paraphrasing of mine has misled him along with Dever.
455-458 TLT 6 On the Mesha story, I certainly am mistaken on the quality of 1st person motifs. I have expanded and corrected this preliminary paper in a study which will appear in a forthcoming number of the European Seminar in Historical Methodology,ed. by Grabbe. A biblically oriented synopsis of this larger paper can be found in my The Messiah Myth, p139-170, which comes out next month. The issue is not one of "literary flourishes" but of composition through stereotypical thematic elements, which dominate both content and function of such texts.
There is biblical wholeness in 6 curses, so I will close here.
Thomas L: Thompson
Professor, University of Copenhagen
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