[b-hebrew] VERBS

Rolf Furuli furuli at online.no
Thu Jul 28 14:35:55 EDT 2005

I have noted that the distinguished authority on Bible translation, Peter 
Kirk, has made the judgement that Peter Newmark, who has worked with 
theoretical translation principles and practical translation throughout a 
long life, and whose book was awarded the prize of being the best book in a 
particular year, speaks nonsense.

Best regards

Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk at qaya.org>
To: "Rolf Furuli" <furuli at online.no>
Cc: <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] VERBS

> On 28/07/2005 07:27, Rolf Furuli wrote:
>>In my curriculum, when I studied applied linguistics at the University of
>>Oslo, was the following book of Peter Newmark (1988) (who had spent 
>>decades as atranslator) "A Textbook of Translation". (Newmark`s book was
>>awarded the British Association of Applied Linguitics prize in 1988.).  He
>>writes (p. 2) "... The SL (source language) texts consist of words, that 
>>is all
>>that is there, on the page." ...
> Even the best qualified and praised writers can sometimes speak nonsense, 
> or they can be quoted out of context. Yes, the text consists of words. It 
> also consists of letters. It also consists of sentences. It also consists 
> of paragraphs. At a rather more abstract level it can be considered to 
> consist of morphemes and of phrases and clauses, maybe other kinds of 
> discourse unit. Yes, all that is on the page is words. But equally, all 
> that is on the page is sentences, and all that is on the page is letters. 
> It just depends how you choose to divide things up. So this argument is 
> not at all helpful in deciding whether the basic unit of translation (if 
> such a concept is meaningful) is the word, or some other unit.
> The concept of a word is anyway a rather artificial one. When two Hebrew 
> words are connected by maqqef, does that make one word or two? If you say 
> that there are still two words, is the preposition MIN still a separate 
> word when it is written in the prefixed form ME-? Or perhaps you claim 
> that the prefixed prepositions and conjunction are separate words. Well, 
> on what theoretical basis? After all, there is no word division in the 
> text in such a case.
> -- 
> Peter Kirk
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