[b-hebrew] yhwh pronunciation
furuli at online.no
Sun Jul 24 13:58:47 EDT 2005
BTW, what is your name?
We should always be careful when we quote old sources. But I am not sure
that your argument about "the explicit name" is a necessary argument.
Louis Finkelstein, who has a much greater knowledge of rabbinic literature
than I have, concluded in a similar way as I did. In "New Lights from the
Prophets" (1969) p. 10 he writes after quoting the same words that I quote:
"There could be no complaint against the Pharisees or the Morning-Bathers if
they did not actually pronounce the Name. The argument between the Pharisees
and the Morning-Bathers apparrently occurred, then, while both groups still
pronounced the Tetragrammaton in prayer."
Finkelstein ( p 9) brings another quote from Tosefta Berakot 6 (7): "One who
begins a prayer with yod heh /i.e. the Tetragrammaton, actually enunciating
it/ and ends with yod heh /in the doxology/ is a sage. /One who begins with
yod heh and ends with `aleph lamed /the cypher of `elohim/ is ignorant.
/One who begins/ with `aleph lamed and ends with yod heh is an average
person. One who begins with `aleph lamed and ends with `aleph lamed is
following another way /i.e. is a sectarian/."
University of Oslo
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> In a message dated 7/24/2005 7:54:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> furuli at online.no writes:
> before you bathe. The Pharisees reply, "We complain of you
> because you mention the Name with a body which contains defilement."
> If this was a typical dialogue between the two groups, and the Pharisees
> originated around 100 B.C.E. it means that at the same time that the
> people did not use the name, other groups did use it.
> Be careful about using quotations from Talmud with regard to pronouncing
> "the name" as relevant to the tetragrammaton. The rabbis generally use
> name" to mean the name written as the tetragrammaton but pronounced
> When they want to refer to the pronunciation of the tetragrammaton as
> they use the term "the explicit name" (shem hameforash).
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