[b-hebrew] RE-Dating Daniel

Harold R. Holmyard III hholmyard at ont.com
Fri Jul 8 13:35:03 EDT 2005


Dear Stoney,

Daniel is not poetry, for the most part. Note how the BHS lays it out 
in most places as prose, not poetry. And even if there is a great 
deal of poetic style, as with Isaiah, that does not prevent the 
writing from being taken seriously as making factual statements.

				Yours,
				Harold Holmyard

>Prof. Medina -
>
>What's "problematic" about ascribing inspiration to poetry, or poetry to
>Scripture? And the question of fraud (pious or im-) in poetry was
>resolved centuries ago:
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>The poet never maketh any circles about your imagination, to conjure you
>to believe for true what he writeth. He citeth not authorities of other
>histories, but even for his entry calleth the sweet Muses to inspire
>into him a good invention; in troth, not laboring to tell you what is or
>is not, but what should or should not be. And therefore though he
>recount things not true, yet because he telleth them not for true he
>lieth not; without we will say that Nathan lied in his speech, before
>alleged, to David; which, as a wicked man durst scarce say, so think I
>none so simple would say that Aesop lied in the tales of his beasts; for
>who thinketh that Aesop wrote it for actually true, were well worthy to
>have his name chronicled among the beasts he writeth of. What child is
>there that, coming to a play, and seeing Thebes written in great letters
>upon an old door, doth believe that it is Thebes? If then a man can
>arrive at that child`s-age, to know that the poet`s persons and doings
>are but pictures what should be, and not stories what have been, they
>will never give the lie to things not affirmatively but allegorically
>and figuratively written. And therefore, as in history looking for
>truth, they may go away full-fraught with falsehood, so in poesy looking
>but for fiction, they shall use the narration but as an imaginative
>ground - plot of a profitable invention. But hereto is replied that the
>poets give names to men they write of, which argueth a conceit of an
>actual truth, and so, not being true, proveth a falsehood. And doth the
>lawyer lie then, when, under the names of John of the Stile, and John of
>the Nokes, he putteth his case? But that is easily answered: their
>naming of men is but to make their picture the more lively, and not to
>build any history. Painting men, they cannot leave men nameless. We see
>we cannot play at chess but that we must give names to our chess-men;
>and yet, me thinks, he were a very partial champion of truth that would
>say we lied for giving a piece of wood the reverend title of a bishop.
>The poet nameth Cyrus and Aeneas no other way than to show what men of
>their fames, fortunes, and estates should do.
>	- Sir Philip Sidney
>
>Stoney Breyer
>Writer/Touchwood, Inc.
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