[b-hebrew] word order

Herman Meester crazymulgogi at gmail.com
Thu Dec 1 12:44:52 EST 2005


שלום לכם תלמידי תנ"ך
Dear people discussing word order,

As I said in another mail in the thread "hebrew grammar", where I
discuss the Wayyqtl issue, I also stated something I would like to
hear your reaction to (in fact quoting my teacher Karel Jongeling, who
suggested this):
In order to describe word order in the best way possible, it may be
advisable to describe the syntax of all the lines in MT prose, where
it is clear we are dealing with direct speech. This direct speech may
be polished to meet the requirements of Hebrew literary prose, but it
is still direct speech, most likely to express the "actual" word
order.
Does anyway know if something like that has been done?
regards,
Herman

2005/12/1, Dave Washburn <dwashbur at nyx.net>:
> On Thursday 01 December 2005 06:22, you wrote:
> > On 01/12/2005 00:49, Dave Washburn wrote:
> > >On Wednesday 30 November 2005 15:53, you wrote:
> > >> ...
> > >>
> > >>Not actually to answer the question - but I just looked at
> > >>Heimerdinger's treatment of this issue ("Topic, Focus and Foreground in
> > >>Ancient Hebrew Narrative", p.25), and he notes that Muraoka excludes
> > >>WAYYIQTOL clauses from his investigation but still consludes that V-S is
> > >>the basic word order.
> > >
> > >Is that the Jouon-Muraoka grammar, his book on emphatic constructions, or
> > > some other?
> >
> > Heimerdinger references Muraoka's 1985 book "Emphatic Words and
> > Structures in Biblical Hebrew" (Jerusalem: Magnes Press). He also writes
> > in a footnote "Thus view is reiterated in Joüon and Muraoka (1991: 579,
> > par. 155k)".
>
> OK.  The latter is supposed to be shipping from Logos in the next week or two,
> and given enough time I think I can lay my hands on the former, though I
> confess I wasn't all that excited about it the first time I read it many
> years ago...
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
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> Dave Washburn
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