[b-hebrew] 1 Chronicles 21 - &+N revisited

Karl Randolph kwrandolph at email.com
Fri Aug 26 21:49:41 EDT 2005


There's a difference between counting all the people who 
take part in a special event, such a making David king, and 
making a census of all the people. Further, there was no 
prohibition on numbering all the aliens (foreigners) living 
among Israel. What David did wrong was number all the people, 
rather he ordered Joab to do so.

Did any other king make a census of Israel? All I remember 
is that they numbered only those who turned out for battle, 
not the whole people.

Karl W. Randolph.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard at ont.com>
> Dear James and Karl,
> HH: The Israelite kings sometimes took censuses,
> including even David, it seems, on another
> occasion:
> 1Chr. 12:23 ¶ These are the numbers of the men
> armed for battle who came to David at Hebron to
> turn Saul's kingdom over to him, as the LORD had
> said:
> 1Chr. 12:38 ¶ All these were fighting men who
> volunteered to serve in the ranks. They came to
> Hebron fully determined to make David king over
> all Israel. All the rest of the Israelites were
> also of one mind to make David king.  so it is
> possible for David to do this without sin, and a
> military conflict would have been the most
> appropriate time. It is one thing to fight a
> single giant by yourself and another to fight a
> whole nation's army.
> 2Chr. 2:17 ¶ Solomon took a census of all the
> aliens who were in Israel, after the census his
> father David had taken; and they were found to be
> 153,600.
> 2Chr. 17:12 ¶ Jehoshaphat became more and more
> powerful; he built forts and store cities in Judah
> 2Chr. 17:13 and had large supplies in the towns
> of Judah. He also kept experienced fighting men
> in Jerusalem.
> 2Chr. 17:14 Their enrollment by families was as
> follows: From Judah, commanders of units of
> 1,000: Adnah the commander, with 300,000 fighting
> men;
> 2Chr. 17:15 next, Jehohanan the commander, with 280,000;
> 2Chr. 17:16 next, Amasiah son of Zicri, who
> volunteered himself for the service of the LORD,
> with 200,000.
> 2Chr. 17:17 From Benjamin: Eliada, a valiant
> soldier, with 200,000 men armed with bows and
> shields;
> 2Chr. 17:18 next, Jehozabad, with 180,000 men armed for battle.
> Chr. 26:11 ¶ Uzziah had a well-trained army,
> ready to go out by divisions according to their
> numbers as mustered by Jeiel the secretary and
> Maaseiah the officer under the direction of
> Hananiah, one of the royal officials.
> 2Chr. 26:12 The total number of family leaders over the fighting 
> men was 2,600.
> 2Chr. 26:13 Under their command was an army of
> 307,500 men trained for war, a powerful force to
> support the king against his enemies.
> HH: There is no indication that there other
> occasions involved sin or received a divine
> judgment. I believe the normal interpretation is
> that David took the census out of pride, for his
> own glory. Joab thought there was no need and
> that it was wrong.
> 				Yours,
> 				Harold Holmyard

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