[b-hebrew] 1 Chronicles 21 - &+N revisited

Read, James C K0434995 at kingston.ac.uk
Fri Aug 26 20:34:48 EDT 2005

In Genesis we are told that Lots' daughters got their father drunk and bonked him 
in order to start off two new nations which would be products of Father/daughter 
incest. There is no mention to this being bad either but each to his own interpretation. 

-----Original Message-----
From: b-hebrew-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Harold R. Holmyard III
Sent: Sat 8/27/2005 1:09 AM
To: b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Chronicles 21 - &+N revisited
Dear James and Karl,

>Counting the number would have been a mistake 
>because it would have shown a lack
>of faith in Yah's ability to save. This would have marked a drastic change in
>attitude on David's part as he never stopped to 
>count how many people would help
>him kill the philistine giant when he was a mere 
>shepherd boy. For this reason the
>suggestion is one worthy of consideration.
>However, another possible reason why counting 
>the people was a mistake was because
>that Yah had told Abraham that his seed would 
>become so many that no man would be
>able to count them just as no man could count 
>all of the stars. David's action could
>well have been an offensice affront to Yah as 
>his counting isreal was an attempt to
>so what Yah had said no man would be able to accomplish.

HH: The Israelite kings sometimes took censuses, 
including even David, it seems, on another 

1Chr. 12:23 ¶ These are the numbers of the men 
armed for battle who came to David at Hebron to 
turn Saul's kingdom over to him, as the LORD had 
1Chr. 12:24 men of Judah, carrying shield and spear - 6,800 armed for battle;
1Chr. 12:25 men of Simeon, warriors ready for battle - 7,100;
1Chr. 12:26 men of Levi - 4,600,
1Chr. 12:27 including Jehoiada, leader of the family of Aaron, with 3,700 men,
1Chr. 12:28 and Zadok, a brave young warrior, with 22 officers from his family;
1Chr. 12:29 men of Benjamin, Saul's kinsmen - 
3,000, most of whom had remained loyal to Saul's 
house until then;
1Chr. 12:30 men of Ephraim, brave warriors, famous in their own clans - 20,800;
1Chr. 12:31 men of half the tribe of Manasseh, 
designated by name to come and make David king - 
1Chr. 12:32 men of Issachar, who understood the 
times and knew what Israel should do - 200 
chiefs, with all their relatives under their 
1Chr. 12:33 men of Zebulun, experienced soldiers 
prepared for battle with every type of weapon, to 
help David with undivided loyalty - 50,000;
1Chr. 12:34 men of Naphtali - 1,000 officers, 
together with 37,000 men carrying shields and 
1Chr. 12:35 men of Dan, ready for battle - 28,600;
1Chr. 12:36 men of Asher, experienced soldiers prepared for battle - 40,000;
1Chr. 12:37 and from east of the Jordan, men of 
Reuben, Gad and the half-tribe of Manasseh, armed 
with every type of weapon - 120,000.
1Chr. 12:38 ¶ All these were fighting men who 
volunteered to serve in the ranks. They came to 
Hebron fully determined to make David king over 
all Israel. All the rest of the Israelites were 
also of one mind to make David king.  so it is 
possible for David to do this without sin, and a 
military conflict would have been the most 
appropriate time. It is one thing to fight a 
single giant by yourself and another to fight a 
whole nation's army.

2Chr. 2:17 ¶ Solomon took a census of all the 
aliens who were in Israel, after the census his 
father David had taken; and they were found to be 

2Chr. 17:12 ¶ Jehoshaphat became more and more 
powerful; he built forts and store cities in Judah
2Chr. 17:13 and had large supplies in the towns 
of Judah. He also kept experienced fighting men 
in Jerusalem.
2Chr. 17:14 Their enrollment by families was as 
follows: From Judah, commanders of units of 
1,000: Adnah the commander, with 300,000 fighting 
2Chr. 17:15 next, Jehohanan the commander, with 280,000;
2Chr. 17:16 next, Amasiah son of Zicri, who 
volunteered himself for the service of the LORD, 
with 200,000.
2Chr. 17:17 From Benjamin: Eliada, a valiant 
soldier, with 200,000 men armed with bows and 
2Chr. 17:18 next, Jehozabad, with 180,000 men armed for battle.

Chr. 26:11 ¶ Uzziah had a well-trained army, 
ready to go out by divisions according to their 
numbers as mustered by Jeiel the secretary and 
Maaseiah the officer under the direction of 
Hananiah, one of the royal officials.
2Chr. 26:12 The total number of family leaders over the fighting men was 2,600.
2Chr. 26:13 Under their command was an army of 
307,500 men trained for war, a powerful force to 
support the king against his enemies.

HH: There is no indication that there other 
occasions involved sin or received a divine 
judgment. I believe the normal interpretation is 
that David took the census out of pride, for his 
own glory. Joab thought there was no need and 
that it was wrong.

				Harold Holmyard
b-hebrew mailing list
b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org

This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security System.

This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security System.

More information about the b-hebrew mailing list