[b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/
peterkirk at qaya.org
Sun Nov 14 13:02:58 EST 2004
On 14/11/2004 17:21, trepp at telus.net wrote:
>As to English [ch], I first noticed how many languages do not have it. Then I
>noticed that, outside of the Far East (China, etc.), the only languages
>featuring it that I yet knew of were Slavic, except for Latin - as in [c]
>before [i] or [e] - Italian - in the same manner as in Latin (though with some
>exceptional additional occurences), - and English.
Indeed not every language has this sound. But a large number do. Here
are some that I know of: Spanish, of course, but that may go with
Italian in your mind. German, although written as a tetragraph (as in
the final consonant of "Deutsch") or a pentagraph (as in at the end of
"Delitzsch"). All Turkic languages. Persian/Farsi. Most Indic languages,
I think, with two variants (aspirated and unaspirated). This is
certainly not a rare sound.
>I soon noticed how Teyth could be seen as a Taw leaning in the direction of
>English [ch]. It is cut too short of the degree of morphing (away from Taw)
>that characterizes English [ch], perhaps, for this phonetic kinship to at once
>be seen. I wonder to what degree the breath in Teyth might originally have
>differed from that in Taw. As I have found with all alphabetical characters in
>general: each character was originally assigned its own exclusive phonetic
>value, and the pairing of two characters to a single sound point to the
>antiquity of the lettering system, and to changes in speach without a parallel
It is possible, I suppose, that the original sound of Hebrew Tet was
like English ch, a modified t sound. But it is I think more likely that
it was like the Arabic letter which it correponds with, with is a
>This got me wondering (if not actually expecting) whether the greater degree of
>breath in Sin than in Samek (=[s]), might not properly signify a possible root
>of the [s]-morpheme in English "measure". Interestingly enough, this sound,
>too, I found missing from many languages' phonology, but present in French,
>English, and Slavic languages.
This is an interesting sound and probably rarer than English ch.
Interestingly, it is present as a distinct phoneme, but extremely rare,
in languages as diverse as English, Turkish and Persian/Farsi. It is I
suppose possible that this was the original sound of sin (it is after
all a voiced variant of the sound of shin), but I don't know of any
evidence for this. Do you?
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