[b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8

UUC unikom at paco.net
Fri May 28 15:39:00 EDT 2004

Dear Harold,

Your message, as I understand it, amounts to saying that while your
preferred reading relies on very unusual (that is, statistically improbable)
semantics, it is probably better confirms to the preconceived meaning.


Vadim Cherny

> >With this attitude, how can you disagree with Rolf?
> HH: It's not an attitude. It's an awareness of the subtlety of
> meanings that words carry and a need to reflect these accurately in
> translation.
> >  He is saying essentially
> the same thing: that there are waw's, which do not reverse the tense.
> HH: I'm talking about MiN. He's talking about waw and the imperfect.
> Let's not confuse things. It's not the same issue. Rolf's issue has
> to do with the development of the verb historically and whether what
> we see in the text actually reflects two different verbal
> developments which now exhibit the same form. It is a detailed matter
> involving the use of verbs in Ugaritic and elsewhere, it is found in
> the grammars under treatment of the imperfect verb, and it is not
> closely related to what I am talking about.
> HH: What I'm talking about is that prepositions developed numerous
> functions in the Hebrew language. Even if all those functions could
> be attributed to a single lexeme in Hebrew, when a transfer of the
> functions is made into English, a single lexeme does not suffice to
> express them all accurately. You are not a native English speaker,
> but I assume the same would be the case with the Slavic languages.
> >At least, you may agree that my translation is statistically more
> >than yours, since it relies on the much more common meaning. And I would
> >agree that your translation better conforms to the Christian doctrine.
> HH: It has little or nothing to do with the Christian doctrine.
> Translation of Hebrew prepositions does not proceed on the basis of
> favoring a particular rendering. It proceeds by finding the word that
> best expresses the idea conveyed by the Hebrew word. So if the word
> that does that best is "by," then that is fine. As I have said
> before, the lexicon shows many places where immediate or efficient
> cause is the idea of MiN.
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
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