[b-hebrew] Isaiah 53: you made his life?

UUC unikom at paco.net
Mon May 24 13:19:02 EDT 2004


Dear Liz,

Probably doesn't work.

The fellow was taken from otzer and mishpat.
I don't recall ransoming those convicted in formal trials. Bribes - perhaps.
An offer of paying fine, like in the case of Socrates? Hmmm, I'm not sure if
this would be called asham, not sure.
Guilt offering - yes; if he was sectarian, this would expiate him.
Another possible argument is poetic transposition: if we read asham nafsho,
then the proper order is, im tasim nafsho asham, which would be read, if his
soul did something
I also don't recall a tendency in Isaiah to replace man with nefesh; he
seems to distinguish.
The strongest argument against your hypothesis is meamal, which is hard
mental work: in the result of his hard mental work, he would be just fine.
So he should have performed asham, not someone do it for him.


Best regards,

Vadim


> I prefer "ransom" to "guilt offering" or "offering for sin"
> to avoid cultic connotations (1 Sam 6).
> I, of course, don't translate with the past tense here either.
>
> If you would make a ransom of his life.
> or
> If you will pay a ransom on his life he will see progeny
> and have length of days, for YHWH desired that he will
> succeed by his hand.
> Best,
> Liz
>
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> > Subject: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53: you made his life?
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> > Perhaps, anyone would care to defend another verse:
> >
> > you made his life an offering for sin
> >
> > The usual translation of tasim as you made [his life an
> > offering for sin] is grammatically implausible since the verb
> > we translated as brought or laid is 3f or 2m singular future
> > tense. The soul (f.) bring something. To have something done
> > to the soul, other translations presuppose a masculine
> > personage, a man or the nation. In standard Hebrew, however,
> > verbs with pronoun suffixes relate to a nearby nouns, not to
> > a presupposed object.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Vadim Cherny
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