[b-hebrew] Isaiah 53: in his death?

Peter Kirk peterkirk at qaya.org
Sat May 22 14:49:09 EDT 2004

On 21/05/2004 14:58, Karl Randolph wrote:

>I suspect that you would agree with Peter 
>Kirk that ‘the present is the key to the 
>past’, i.e. that present processes are 
>the same as have happened in _all_ of the 
>past. Therefore, because telling the 
>future is something that is not happening 
>today, past records purporting to be 
>telling the future had to have been 
>written after the “fulfillment”. Those 
>who don’t agree with your theology find 
>your posts a bit tiring at best, absurd 
>at worst. Except where they directly 
>affect understanding Biblical Hebrew 
>language, should they be on this list at 

Karl, may I clarify something here. You seem to attribute to me the 
words ‘the present is the key to the past’, but I think these go back to 
the 18th century geologist James Hutton. Now I do uphold this principle 
for studies of languages and linguistics, which is the context of our 
previous discussion - at least for all of human history if not "in _all_ 
of the past". But I don't accept that this principle is valid in a case 
like this, of biblical exegesis, especially those related to the unique 
events of God's self-revelation in the Bible. On this matter my position 
is certainly different from that of Liz. Also, by the way, I don't 
accept the premise of the argument which you attribute to me, that 
"telling the future is something that is not happening today"; I believe 
that in exceptional cases the Holy Spirit of God does reveal the future 
today. But that is not really relevant to the immediate issue.

Peter Kirk
peter at qaya.org (personal)
peterkirk at qaya.org (work)

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