[b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect? Psalm 107

Lisbeth S. Fried lizfried at umich.edu
Thu May 20 12:26:35 EDT 2004

Hi Ken,
I suppose there are exceptions. How would you know
when anything is an exception tho? I don't think context is
trustworthy since you deny part of the context when you ignore
the form of the verb.
I tend not to make exceptions myself.
As for Psalm 107 I remember translating it in a 
class at NYU with Dan Fleming, but I don't remember
anythng in particular abou the discussion. Since I'm not
going to translate the entire psalm for you over e-mail,
and since off-hand I don't see or remember anything problematic,
you should tell what particular verse(s) you would like me
to tackle.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Penner [mailto:pennerkm at mcmaster.ca] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:15 AM
> To: 'Lisbeth S. Fried'; 'B-Hebrew at Lists. Ibiblio. Org'
> Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Prophetic Perfect? Psalm 107
> Hi Liz,
> What gave me pause was your word "always", with its implicit 
> dismissal of thousands of pages written over the last century 
> about the problem of YIQTOL used for the past and QATAL and 
> WAYYIQTOL for the future. According to McFall, there are over 
> 1000 such exceptions to the general rule you stated.
> What are we to say to these? Are they all misinterpretations? 
> Or are they simply so few as to be insignificant? 
> When you say you "don't believe in a prophetic perfect," you 
> don't mean it is impossible that a QATAL could refer to the 
> future, do you? I suppose you must mean that it is extremely 
> rare for a QATAL to be used for a future event, right?
> I would be interested in your translation of Psalm 107.
> Ken Penner, McMaster/DSS
> Dead Sea Scrolls scholars' list owner,
> http://mailman.McMaster.CA/mailman/listinfo/g-megillot
> > I don't believe in a prophetic perfect. Nope.
> > > > I don't see a problem in the psalm. I would translate the
> > verbs the
> > > > way I always do: The WAYYIKTOBs, and KATABs are narrative
> > past, the
> > > > YIKTOBs, WEYIKTOBs are either future or jussive.

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