[b-hebrew] Psa 107:19-21 (was WAYYIQTOL)

B. M. Rocine brocine at twcny.rr.com
Sat Mar 13 13:12:15 EST 2004

Hi Dave,

Thank the Lord that there is some overlap in these views!  It turns out that
Galia also relates her ideas to DRiver's, maintaining that she has improved
on his ideas (see p. 196).  I referred Rolf to Driver's idea that the
prefixed forms express nascent situations.

Galia's idea is that the wayyiqtol is *inherently* sequential by virtue of
the negation or specification of the modal yiqtol when vav plus the definite
article is added.  The naked yiqtol refers to a "possible" situation, and
the wayyiqtol refers definitely to one of these possible situations, namely
the actual situation.  The next wayyiqtol expresses the next definite
situation thereby moving the R-time.

I think Rolf may disagree on what becomes a rather small point in my
estimation.  He may say that there is nothing about the wayyiqtol that makes
it inherently sequential.  The form merely implies sequentiality in context.


> On Saturday 13 March 2004 06:24, B. M. Rocine wrote:
> [snip]
> > For years now--can you believe how time flies?-- this has been a
> > feature of your model for me to swallow: that a wayyiqtol that you
> > to be imperfective is used most often in a context that features the
> > advance of time.  In my understanding of aspect, the advance of time
> > favor, if not require, a perfective form.  But I may be understanding
> > Let me see if I can explain, in your view, how an imperfective form can
> > used in a passage where story time advances.
> >
> > Wayyiqtol refers to a situation that obtains (essentially saying that it
> > begins) but the verb form doesn't by itself indicate anything about the
> > situation's completion.  The verb form leaves, in and of itself, the
> > situation open on the anterior end, because it is imperfective.  Then,
in a
> > text, along comes the next wayyiqtol, a new beginning.  A new beginning
> > usually (but not necessarily) *implies* the ending of the previous
> > situation.  IOW, one situation is now usually *inferred* to be complete
> > simply because a new one has obtained or begun.
> >
> > This view of wayyiqtol seems rather like that of S.R. Driver, no?
> [snip]
> Bryan,
> It actually sounds to me more like Galia Hatav's view that wayyiqtol
> R-time.
> -- 
> Dave Washburn
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