[b-hebrew] exodus, dating of linguistics

George F. Somsel gfsomsel at juno.com
Wed Jun 2 22:31:06 EDT 2004


If you are interested, I can send you Wellhausen's _Prolegomena_ in the
Project Guttenberg edition.

gfsomsel
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:06:26 -0400 Brian Roberts
<formoria at carolina.rr.com> writes:
> Absolutely not all agree with the Documentary Hypothesis.
> 
> I've always been puzzled by the identification by JEDP backers of 
> the 
> book of Deuteronomy as the "book of the law" found in the temple 
> disrepair. It hinges such a tremendously significant portion of an 
> already extremely hypothetical theory on an offhand remark in the 
> account of Josiah's reforms. And it does so without providing any 
> real 
> reason to make that leap. It's as though someone (Wellshausen or 
> whomever) saw the verse and theorized that this "book of the law" 
> could 
> be the very book I'm reading. Well, yes it could, but let's see how 
> he 
> got from hypothesis to conclusion without anything in between.
> 
> Can anyone offer any insight?
> 
> Best Salaams,
> 
> Brian Roberts
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, at 08:46  PM, George F. Somsel wrote:
> 
> > Harold,
> >
> > At the risk of opening a can of worms, I think Peter and Uri were
> > referring to JEDP and the Documentary Hypothesis.  According to 
> this
> > Deuteronomy was "found" in the temple and was the impetus for the
> > Josianic reforms.  It was, shall I say, an "occassional piece", 
> i.e.
> > written for the occassion.  The histories were then written upon 
> the
> > program of Deuteronomy with the centralized sanctuary, etc.
> >
> > What some say may not have been so that Uri referenced is that not 
> all
> > agree to the Documentary Hypothesis.
> >
> > As regards your "the Bible tells me so" approach --
> >
> > "Things are not always as they seem.
> > Skim milk oft masquerades as cream."
> >
> > gfsomsel
> > ________
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:26:18 -0500 "Harold R. Holmyard III"
> > <hholmyard at ont.com> writes:
> >> Dear Uri,
> >>
> >> What would some say may not have been so? Are
> >> they saying that Deuteronomy was not written at
> >> one time and place? The Book of Deuteronomy says
> >> that it was.
> >>
> >> Deut. 31:9 ¶ So Moses wrote down this law and
> >> gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi, who
> >> carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and
> >> to all the elders of Israel.
> >>
> >> Are they saying that the other literature, much
> >> of Joshua-Kings, was not written later? Scripture
> >> is clear that the events occurred later than the
> >> writing of the Deuteronomic law by Moses. So they
> >> must have been written later. Are they saying
> >> that these other books do not echo the language
> >> and themes of Deuteronomy. This is a matter of
> >> judgment to some degree, but certainly a good
> >> argument can be made for the fact that they do.
> >> For example, Moses warned about rebellion from
> >> God and God's punishment, and that is exactly
> >> what Judges shows.
> >>
> >>                                 Yours,
> >>                                 Harold Holmyard
> >>
> >>>   This may have been so, but, some would say,
> >>> more likely not have been so. In short, sheer
> >>> speculation, like much that has been speculated
> >>> on this subject.
> >>>
> >>>   Uri
> >>> Peter Kirk <peterkirk at qaya.org> wrote:
> >>> the kind of model I have in mind is:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Deuteronomy was written at one time and place.
> >>>
> >>> 2) The other literature e.g. much of Joshua-Kings which so 
> clearly
> >>> echoes the languages and themes of Deuteronomy was written at a
> >> later
> >>> time, and potentially a different place, in imitation, either
> >> deliberate
> >>> or accidental, of Deuteronomy.
> >>>
> >>> Therefore, Michael's stylistic argument that Deuteronomy and
> >>> Joshua-Kings were written at one time and place fails.
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