[b-hebrew] Re: Kadeshah & Zonah in Genesis 32 + More
peterkirk at qaya.org
Wed Jul 14 18:05:11 EDT 2004
On 14/07/2004 21:22, david.kimbrough at charter.net wrote:
>I have to disagree.
>1) The earliest that Genesis 32 could have been written was during the exodus by Moses. This means the conversations of the Adullamite with the unspecified individuals occurred hundreds of years prior, at the ealiest. It seems unlikely that Genesis 32 is a verbatim transcript of the conversations.
I did not say that this was a verbatim transcript. It may have been. But
the difference of perspective and vocabulary may have been an authorial
construct (and may have reflected distinctions in the author's own
period rather than in the patriarchal period, but that's a different
issue). After all, a good novelist as well as a good reporter will put
different vocabulary on the lips of different participants in a story
e.g. "terrorist" or "freedom fighter".
>2) I do not see why the Adullamite and the folks he was speaking with would understand the Hebrew word ?kadeshah? but not the Hebrew word ?zonah?.
I guess both sides understood both words, but then both sides understand
both "terrorist" and "freedom fighter" although they differ on who they
might accept its reference to.
>3) The Hebrew sentence seems pretty clear that there is a ?because? (ky) connecting ?He thought she was a whore? and ?her face was covered?.
As you said elsewhere, this is not the point. He didn't recognise his
daughter-in-law, although he probably would have done if she had not
been veiled, and for some reason which is not entirely clear he took her
as a common prostitute.
Elsewhere you wrote:
>HOWEVER, *my* point is that the use of a kadeshah in Genesis 38 does seems (I am not saying this is proven) to have some more honor, or was at least less embrassing, than using a zonah. That would seem to explain why the Adullamite was out looking for a kadeshah to redeem Judah signet, braclet, and staff, rather than a zonah.
I suspect that the point here is that qadesha was seen at least by the
Adullamite as less embarrassing, perhaps almost a euphemism. It was more
polite, perhaps, to look for a qadesha than for a zona. But Judah did
not accept any such euphemism as offering any excuse for Tamar being a
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