[b-hebrew] Interpretation of Biblical Hebrew, or Harold, is this your methodology?
kwrandolph at email.com
Fri Jul 9 13:31:09 EDT 2004
How many times have you read Tanakh cover to cover? I mean starting in Genesis and reading chapter to chapter until you reach the end of Chronicles?
Basically, the critique I hear from you is that you disagree with my method because it comes up with a result with which you disagree. That is not a critique of the method, for my results may have come about from my not consistently applying my method. That is why I asked what is your method? (To me it appears to accept on blind faith what experts and commentators have said.)
Do you want to continue discussing the definition of XBL? If so, which one verse do you want to discuss next? So far we discussed Nehemiah 1:7 which cant serve as a proof passage either way because it can be read both ways, and Song of Songs 2:15 where foxes do not damage vineyards, nor vines, nor blossoms, only compete with man for the ripe fruit. So which is the next one verse you want to discuss?
Concerning Proverbs 1:19, )RX has as its root meaning the concept of travelling long distances from place to place. Path or way, at least in American English, has the concept of being only local. What word would you use to carry road and long distance travel?
But you are right, take over is limiting the concept of LQX in the verse. It not only takes over the life, but takes it away as well. Thanks for the clarification.
Karl W. Randolph.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard at ont.com>
> Dear Karl,
> >In other words, you dont have a methodology.
> HH: I have a methodology. But when I'm critiquing
> obvious errors in your translation ideas (you
> didn't usually give a translation of the verse),
> I don't have to go through all the steps needed
> in a lexical word study.
> >What do you do when two or more of the experts
> >that you depend on hold contradictory and
> >mutually exclusive position? How do you
> >determine which position is correct?
> HH: I do further research and thinking.
> >My answers:
> >1) a good methodology does not depend on whether
> >or not we like the results. In fact, the
> >Biblical PoV is not cherry picking the portions
> >of the Bible that we like, tickling our ears. It
> >is taking the whole text, even the portions that
> >we dont like. BTW, how many times have you read
> >Tanakh, starting with Genesis and reading
> >through Chronicles? In Hebrew?
> HH: I felt that you were wrong. It's not just
> that I did not like the results. I've read the
> Bible in Hebrew quite a bit.
> >BTW what is your take on my application of my methodology on Proverbs 1:19?
> HH: You had:
> Such are the roads of those who take a cut of the
> loot; unjust gain takes over the life of its
> HH: It's all right. I might use a broader
> translation applicable to more settings. I might
> substitute "ways" or "paths" for "roads" and
> "seek" or "take" "unjust gain" for "take a cut of
> the loot." The cognate phrase occurs in six
> verses and seem broader in scope than just taking
> a cut of the loot, although that could work well
> here. Also, I think it is better to say that
> unjust gain "takes away the life." The verb LQX
> is sometimes used for the removal of life (1
> Kings 19:10, 14; Ps 31:14; Jon 4:3).
> Harold Holmyard
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