[b-hebrew] Aegean Ethnic determinatives on Philistine guards of Judean kings in Kings and Samuel?

Peter Kirk peterkirk at qaya.org
Sat Jan 24 19:31:48 EST 2004

On 25/01/2004 04:07, Dora Smith wrote:

>In his pretty much excellent but not perfect work, "Egypt, Canaan, and
>Israel" in Ancient Times", Donald Redford says, "Interestingly, both
>"Carians" and "Cretans" appear as ethnic indicators in the lists of
>bodyguards of Judaean kings recruited from Philistia."  In the footnote he
>cites only, "2 Sam. 20:23; 2 Kings 11:4, 19" for his source on that
>remarkable idea.
>The entire sentence makes no sense whatever to me.  Does it make sense to
I think all he means is that in those verses in 2 Kings we find the word 
KARIY "Carite" or "Carian"; in 2 Samuel 20:23 the word may be KARIY 
"Carian" (Ketiv) or K:RETIY "Kerethite" or perhaps "Cretan" (Qere). The 
latter word is found undisputed in about ten places. The references are 
all to the royal bodyguard of Judah.

>I know that Egyptian part phonetic, part syllabic hieroglyphic writing has
>"determinatives" after many proper nouns to indicate things abouat that
>noun, such as whether it is a person's name, a place or a people, or a god.
>I am not aware of Hebrew having any such feature.  My Hebrew bible is
>straight Hebrew characters.
>Waht is he talking about - and if "determinatives" are there, what do they
>really say and mean?
There are no special determinatives, just words or names apparently 
indicating the ethnic or geographical origin of these people.

>Dora Smith
>Austin, Texas
>villandra at austin.rr.com

Peter Kirk
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