[b-hebrew] Alleged meaning of ecclesia in OT

Dora Smith villandra at austin.rr.com
Tue Dec 21 23:08:55 EST 2004


Karl:

My knowledge of Hebrew isn't quite up to this;

What are the meanings of:

QHL
LHQT
MW(D

That would allow me to make sense out of what you have written.

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph at email.com>
To: "Hebrew" <b-hebrew at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged meaning of ecclesia in OT


Harold:

Checking the Hebrew, the word ekklesia is used to translate QHL in Hebrew.
One time it is used for LHQT and a couple of times it was used to translate
the idea of assamblage where neither the specific term QHL nor a  synonym
was used.

I noticed that while "ekklesia" in Greek is used to translate QHL, it is
never used for MW(D. Which word(s) did the translators of the LXX use for
the latter? I thought that calling out for a meeting in Y(D was closer to
ekkalew than QHL with its idea of assembling, unless the Greek understanding
of ekklesia was necessarily a public assemblage, while MW(D could be and
often was a private meeting? What words did the LXX use for Y(D and MW(D?
What other words did they use of QHL? ( QHL was not always used for a called
out meeting or assemblage, but also refered to a collection of nations, as
in Genesis. )

Karl W. Randolph.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard at ont.com>

>
> Dear Dora,
>
> > I have to check this out.   Doesn't quite look like a Hebrew word to me
....
> > grin.
> >
> > I am taking a not very academic class at church on the Gospel of
Matthew.
> > We are using a definitely not all that academic text.   In Matthew
16:18, it
> > says that on Peter Jesus will build his church.   Text says that the
word
> > ekklesia is also used in the OT to mean "community of the faithful".
> >
>
> However, the word EKKLHSIA does occur a hundred times in the
> Septuagint, and it does mean the community or assembly there, with
> reference to the people of Israel. The word occurs in Deuteronomy,
> Joshua, Judges, 1 Samuel, 1 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, Ezra, and
> Nehemiah.
>
> Here are the verses where it occurs. I give the English: (read original
posting)
>
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
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