[b-hebrew] Psalm 19:2-3

Karl Randolph kwrandolph at email.com
Tue Sep 23 00:00:29 EDT 2003


Clay:

In Hebrew, it is fairly straightforward—the first day is the subject, the agent so to speak. The second day recieves the action, as also indicated by the prefixed lamed. Then there is the verb, then the object of the verb. We find the same pattern in the second half of the verse.

Don’t let the hiphil use of NB( throw you, all but one of the times it is used in Tenakh, it is in hiphil.

Yours, Karl W. Randolph.


----- Original Message -----
From: CS Bartholomew <jacksonpollock at earthlink.net>

> On 9/22/03 9:33 AM, "CS Bartholomew" <jacksonpollock at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> >> )mr is tagged as a noun in Groves-Wheeler* which agrees with the LXX
> >> hrema.  ywM lywM looks like an adverbial expression limiting yby(. I wonder
> >> if
> >> )mr is the subject or the object of yby(. It is ambiguous in the LXX since
> >> hrema is neuter. Wheeler tags it accusative, I suspect he is right.
> > 
> > Psa. 18:3 LXX 
> > hemera te hemera ereugetai hrema
> > kai nux nukti anaggellei gnosin
> > 
> > ereugetai is a middle voice so hrema could be the subject.  yby( is hifil so
> > the question is can a hifil have a middle sense? Could  )mr be both the
> > agent and the object of yby(?
> 
> One reason that )mr is not likely to be the agent of yby( is the parallelism
> 
>  Psa. 19:3 ywM lywM yby( )mr wlylh llylh yxwh d(t
> 
> d(t cannot be the agent of yxwh.
> 
> Compare the use of yby( in Prov. 15:2. But here we have an obvious
> subject/agent.
> 
> Prov. 15:2 l#wN xkmyM ty+yb d(t wpy ksylyM yby( )wlt
> 
> If it were not for the parallelism in Psa. 19:3 I would be tempted by the
> LXX ereugetai hrema to consider )mr as the agent since in Homer Iliad 17:265
> ereugomenhs (also the middle voice) is used of the sea roaring against the
> beach where the sea is an agent that is caught up in the action.
> 
> Iliad 17:265b ereugomenhs alos ecw "sea bellows/roars out"
> 
> Some of you may consider this all kind of farfetched, citing Homer for the
> LXX to illustrate a point in the Psalms MT. But, when you consider where the
> LXX came from and how many copies of the Iliad were found in the sands of
> northern Egypt ... 
> 
> After this little boondoggle into Hellenism I will admit that parallelism
> Psa. 19:3 MT appears to settle the issue,  )mr is most likely NOT the agent.
> 
> 
> greetings,
> Clay Bartholomew 
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