[b-hebrew] Other languages in the Tanakh

Karl Randolph kwrandolph at email.com
Sun Nov 16 05:45:48 EST 2003


Peter:

When I studied journalism, the professors carefully emphasized that “libel” is the deliberate propagation of known falsehoods. If a fact is not known to be a falsehood until after publication, it is not libel. If the fact is true, then it is not libel.

More comments below.

Karl W. Randolph.

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From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk at qaya.org>
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<snip questionable logic>
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> >... Some of the details may have been different, but the general framework was the same. (It is from sources outside this discussion group that I have seen indications of the philosophical beliefs of both Gesenius and BDB.)
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> Would you care to elaborate?
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This is getting off the subject of this board, so I’ll keep it very brief.

There is a theological school of teaching that started about 1800 in Germany that was widely spread in England and France as well by 1820. Its early members up to about 1840 were fairly open in admitting the philosophical biases that led to their conclusions. Gesenius was a member of that group. By 1900 the teachings of that school had become largely standardized and had become the majority teaching in most European universities in their theological faculties. BDB were members of that group. Today it is the majority teaching in most U.S. theological schools as well. One aspect of its teaching is a non-violent anti-Semitism.

I read the early history of that school of teaching from Dr. Samuel R. Külling’s PhD dissertation “Zur Datierung der Genesis ‘P’ Stücke” published about 1970 and I have been exposed to its claims all my adult life.

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> >In particular that?s how I read Elaine Keown?s posting on this subject on the 11th. Do you think I read more into it than what is there? I know in other aspects, e.g. writing, theological concepts, etc., that?s exactly what BDB did, so it fits the pattern if they did with lexemes as well.
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> Elaine mentioned in general terms that there are loan words from many 
> languages in BDB. I think almost anyone would agree that among more than 
> 8000 words in the dictionary there are some loan words, although there 
> might be wide disagreement on how many. That is very different from a 
> presupposition that nearly every word is a loan word, something which I 
> have never seen in any dictionary, and never heard anyone except you 
> suggest.
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I didn’t say that nearly every word is a loan word. You put words in my mouth I did not say. I merely said of those words claimed to be loan words (a small percentage of the total number), I read Elain Keown’s post as saying that BDB claimed most are load words into Hebrew. I don’t deny that there are loan words into Hebrew, particularly during and after the Galut Babel, but the claim that most claimed loan words are loan words into Hebrew, especially from Greek and other sources, is a stretch.

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> Peter Kirk
> peter at qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk at qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/
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