[b-hebrew] Arial & Times New Roman fonts

Peter Kirk peterkirk at ozemail.com.au
Sun Mar 30 01:23:20 EST 2003

Hi, Jim. Any relation? My ancestors are from Chapel-en-le-Frith, Derbyshire
in northern England.

The best solution to your problem would be to get Ezra SIL installed on the
university's computers. I guess you have good reason if this is part of your
studies. If you are talking about Word documents, you can set up your
computer to embed the font in the document (under Tools - Options - Save in
Word 2002), which means that the font is temporarily installed when the
document is opened and so probably prints OK. This is the next best

It sounds like when your documents are opened the university computers are
substituting a font (using the same code points as these are all Unicode
fonts, it's only the character shapes which are bad or not what you like),
and not making the best choice. Maybe they are substituting Arial or Miriam.
So, as a third alternative, try changing the font to David, or to Times New
Roman. They should give reasonable results with uncantillated text, though
TNR has some problems with holem.

Peter Kirk
peter.r.kirk at ntlworld.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: JAMES CROWLEY KIRK [mailto:jkirk at wisc.edu]
> Sent: 30 March 2003 02:16
> To: Peter Kirk
> Cc: 'b-hebrew list'
> Subject: Re: RE: [b-hebrew] Arial & Times New Roman fonts
> Hello,
> As long as the topic of Hebrew fonts has come up I was wondering if Peter
> or someone else might be willing to continue the discussion briefly for me
> (btw, hello, my name's Jim; I'm a grad student at UW-Madison).
> I recently set up my personal computer with the unicode Ezra SIL font,
> hoping that I would be able to open Hebrew documents in university
> computer labs, that otherwise have only the standard Microsoft hebrew
> fonts (and print them on their nice laser printers).  I like the SIL fonts
> because I find the Keyman program that they run with makes it so easy to
> type in Hebrew or transcription.  But when I opened a consonantal-only
> text on a computer that did not already have Ezra SIL, Hebrew characters
> showed up but they didn't look half as good as Ezra SIL--only the bare
> outline of each character is represented (they look like "ascii-hebrew").
> Given that this font is supposed to be in a "universal"-code I would think
> that it would show up the same on any newer software.  Perhaps the problem
> is that my personal computer runs a newer version of Microsoft Word than
> the computer labs (which run Word 2000), but again it's confusing to me
> that I do get Hebrew characters that don't look like Ezra SIL.
> Any insights for me into the mysteries of the fonts?
> Thank you,
> Jim

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