Is R)$YT even a "time" word? (Paul)

Ian Hutchesson mc2499 at
Sat Mar 30 00:06:52 EST 2002

>Sorry, Ian, but you're wrong again.  I have read Rashi.  I have looked at
>the JPS.  I recognize that both take the position of BR) being infinitive
>construct.  Please don't jump to conclusions of other's experiences.

Then why do you say that I'm the only one supporting 
the position?

>Do you really think that we don't understand your positions?  "Where you are
>coming from" is a common English idiom that speaks of one's rationale.

I have asked for a coherent position from you. You 
have only given negative positions.

>On the other hand, you have chosen to ignore very clear explanations on my
>part of the literary structure of the first few verses of chapter 1, 

What I remember from you was an attempt to divert 
br'$yt from its time locative role parallel to 
that of both bywm and b`t, by redefining r'$yt out 
of the context of the b-. I found it arbitrary 
and I didn't understand how you could propose it 
on strictly philological grounds.

I remember you accepting that br'$yt was a when 
and that v3, was the first creative act.

>are consistent with the literary structures throughout Hebrew prose and do
>not require a complex object, much less a complex clause structure.  

How does this relate to the literary structure of the chapter?

>your follow-on post concerning the creation or non-creation of chaos appears
>to ignore a very clear statement on my part that I agree that Genesis does
>not address this.  

Why then don't you think of using other literature 
which reflects on the subject (either from the time 
or before it)? Is it wrong to use a source which is 
a close parallel to the part from thwm to the 
division of thwm into the two waters above and below?

>Are you really asking for a faith statement from me?

No. I am asking why you understand what you do when such 
an understanding seems to make many complications.

>That would have to be the only way that I could answer that post.

All I want is a coherent philological approach to the text. 
Nothing more.

And you did not answer what you meant here:

>>>I really think we all know well by now
>>>from where you are coming. 

What do you mean?

>Goodbye, Ian.

Night, Paul.


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