Is R)$YT even a "time" word?

Lisbeth S. Fried lizfried at umich.edu
Fri Mar 29 09:38:24 EST 2002


Dear Peter,
You don't think, deep in your heart, even a tiny bit
that the LXX and the Vulgate were influenced by
Arisotle???
You said that Rashi had his own ax to grind.
In fact, I'm sure that the rabbis also believed in creatio
ex nihilo.
THey were just as Hellenized as anyone else.
According to an orthodox rabbi I know, it is heresy to think
otherwise.
Rashi does not deny the principle, he denies that the bible
talks about it.
And Isaiah denies that God created tohu, and he is a LOT
closer to
the original writers than either the LXX or the Vulgate.
Give it up.
Liz

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Kirk [mailto:Peter_Kirk at sil.org]
> Sent: Fri, March 29, 2002 2:34 AM
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: RE: Is R)$YT even a "time" word?
>
>
> Thanks to all who sent me the Vulgate text. I
> think this demonstrates
> (for what it's worth) that the Hebrew was
> understood in the 4th century
> CE, by Jerome and the Jews of Bethlehem who
> helped him, in the sense "In
> the beginning God created..."
>
> Peter Kirk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason A. Hare
> [mailto:language_lover64801 at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: 29 March 2002 01:46
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: Re: Is R)$YT even a "time" word?
> >
> > Just as an FYI... the Vulgate is online in a
> very easy-to-use format:
> >
> > http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=latin
> >
> > In fact, you can verify that Genesis 1.1 reads
> as Jack says by
> visiting
> > this link:
> >
> >
http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=genesis+1:1&languag
e=latin
>
> You can replace the passage with any reference... NO
SPACES (use + to
> separate book and reference).  It will also let you see
entire
chapters.
>
> Shalom,
> Jason
>
> > > No, LXX is not useless! You make the decisive point
yourself:
"They
> were
> > > simply translating what was before them". What was
before them (in
> their
> > > reading tradition) was BARA' not BERO'. And they, as
Hebrew
speakers
> of
> > > the 2nd-3rd century BCE (at least that seems to be the
consensus
> > > dating), understood BERE'SHIT BARA' 'ELOHIM as "In the
beginning
God
> > > created..." not "In the beginning of God creating...".
We have the
> > > testimony there of Hebrew speakers from long before
the time of
Rashi.
> > >
> > > The Vulgate is similarly useful, for Jerome translated
from Hebrew
> with
> > > the help of Hebrew speakers and so his translation is
based on
their
> 4th
> > > century CE understanding of Hebrew, also well before
Rashi. Does
> anyone
> > > have the Vulgate text available to check?
> >
> >
> > 1.  in principio creavit Deus caelum et terram
> >
> > Jack
>


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