Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar

Peter Kirk Peter_Kirk at sil.org
Sat Mar 23 02:09:16 EST 2002


And why doesn't Hakmot na$im mean "wisdom of women" or "the wisest of
woman" (cf. LXX SOFAI GUNAIKES "wise women")? Could Dahood be
presupposing that women cannot be wise, Liz? I don't!

Peter Kirk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lisbeth S. Fried [mailto:lizfried at umich.edu]
> Sent: 22 March 2002 20:28
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar
> 
> Dahood gives Prov. 14:1 Hakmot na$im, the wisest of men,
> and UT 2 Aqht: 6:45 (mq n$m, the strongest/wisest of men
> as examples.
> Liz Fried
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: soren at enteract.com [mailto:soren at enteract.com]
> > Sent: Fri, March 22, 2002 11:21 AM
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Cc: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: Re: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar
> >
> >
> > As Milton Himmelfarb pointed out at the time (in his review of
Dahood in
> > Commentary--February 1968) neshe qever would be "women of the
> > grave."  TO have
> > a parallel with ishe mavet or bene mavet, one would need anshe
mavet.
> > Himmelfarb notes Dahood's invocation of Ugaritic but points out
> > that he gives
> > but one Ugaritic example in which neshe is anything else but
> > women.  Dahood, in
> > his subsequent reply to Himmelfarb talks about this example but
> > says nothing on
> > the neshe/anshe question.
> >
> >                                                   Steve Oren
> >                                                   Chicago IL
> >
> > Quoting Polycarp66 at aol.com:
> >
> > > In a message dated 3/21/2002 11:55:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > lizfried at umich.edu writes:
> > >
> > > Mitchell Dahood, a Catholic priest,
> > > translates it "Serve YHWH with reverence and
> > > live in trembling, O mortal men!"
> > > He reads O mortal men with no consonental
> > > changes: ne$e qaber, men of the grave,
> > > or men appointed for the grave.
> > > He compares i$ mawet (I kings 2:26)
> > > bene mawet (1 Sam 26:16).
> > > _______________
> > >
> > > Now that makes sense.  The RSV and NRSV translate "kiss his
> > feet", but that
> > >
> > > requires emending the text from BR to RGLYW.  Maintaining the
> > consonantal
> > > text is always preferable.  In the oldest manuscripts the
> > letters were not
> > > always separated (in fact, as I recall, they usually weren't).
> > Liz, could
> > > you cite some more of Dahood's translation for context?  I'm
> > afraid I left
> > > most of my books in storage.
> > >
> > > GfSomsel
> > >
> > >
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