Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar

Dave Washburn dwashbur at nyx.net
Fri Mar 22 10:47:02 EST 2002


I'm aware of that. I said "generally."

> Dahood's reading for Ps. 2:12 was accepted by
> Holliday in VT, somewhere. There may be others.
> Liz Fried
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Washburn [mailto:dwashbur at nyx.net]
> > Sent: Fri, March 22, 2002 10:36 AM
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar
> > 
> > 
> > It should be pointed out that Dahood was severely criticized for his 
> > dependence on Ugaritic in his Psalms commentary, and most of his 
> > renderings have not been generally accepted.  This says nothing 
> > about the merits of this particular reading, of course, but it's 
> > something that should be kept in mind when consulting him.
> > 
> > > Dahood gives Prov. 14:1 Hakmot na$im, the wisest of men,
> > > and UT 2 Aqht: 6:45 (mq n$m, the strongest/wisest of men
> > > as examples.
> > > Liz Fried
> > >  
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: soren at enteract.com [mailto:soren at enteract.com]
> > > > Sent: Fri, March 22, 2002 11:21 AM
> > > > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > > > Cc: Biblical Hebrew
> > > > Subject: Re: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > As Milton Himmelfarb pointed out at the time (in his review 
> > of Dahood in 
> > > > Commentary--February 1968) neshe qever would be "women of the 
> > > > grave."  TO have 
> > > > a parallel with ishe mavet or bene mavet, one would need 
> > anshe mavet.  
> > > > Himmelfarb notes Dahood's invocation of Ugaritic but points out 
> > > > that he gives 
> > > > but one Ugaritic example in which neshe is anything else but 
> > > > women.  Dahood, in 
> > > > his subsequent reply to Himmelfarb talks about this example but 
> > > > says nothing on 
> > > > the neshe/anshe question.
> > > > 
> > > >                                                   Steve Oren
> > > >                                                   Chicago IL 
> > > > 
> > > > Quoting Polycarp66 at aol.com:
> > > > 
> > > > > In a message dated 3/21/2002 11:55:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > > > lizfried at umich.edu writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mitchell Dahood, a Catholic priest, 
> > > > > translates it "Serve YHWH with reverence and
> > > > > live in trembling, O mortal men!"
> > > > > He reads O mortal men with no consonental
> > > > > changes: ne$e qaber, men of the grave,
> > > > > or men appointed for the grave.
> > > > > He compares i$ mawet (I kings 2:26)
> > > > > bene mawet (1 Sam 26:16).
> > > > > _______________
> > > > > 
> > > > > Now that makes sense.  The RSV and NRSV translate "kiss his 
> > > > feet", but that
> > > > > 
> > > > > requires emending the text from BR to RGLYW.  Maintaining the 
> > > > consonantal 
> > > > > text is always preferable.  In the oldest manuscripts the 
> > > > letters were not 
> > > > > always separated (in fact, as I recall, they usually weren't).  
> > > > Liz, could 
> > > > > you cite some more of Dahood's translation for context?  I'm 
> > > > afraid I left 
> > > > > most of my books in storage.
> > > > > 
> > > > > GfSomsel
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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> >                   -Emerson
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