Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar

Dave Washburn dwashbur at nyx.net
Fri Mar 22 10:36:06 EST 2002


It should be pointed out that Dahood was severely criticized for his 
dependence on Ugaritic in his Psalms commentary, and most of his 
renderings have not been generally accepted.  This says nothing 
about the merits of this particular reading, of course, but it's 
something that should be kept in mind when consulting him.

> Dahood gives Prov. 14:1 Hakmot na$im, the wisest of men,
> and UT 2 Aqht: 6:45 (mq n$m, the strongest/wisest of men
> as examples.
> Liz Fried
>  
> 
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> > From: soren at enteract.com [mailto:soren at enteract.com]
> > Sent: Fri, March 22, 2002 11:21 AM
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Cc: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: Re: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar
> > 
> > 
> > As Milton Himmelfarb pointed out at the time (in his review of Dahood in 
> > Commentary--February 1968) neshe qever would be "women of the 
> > grave."  TO have 
> > a parallel with ishe mavet or bene mavet, one would need anshe mavet.  
> > Himmelfarb notes Dahood's invocation of Ugaritic but points out 
> > that he gives 
> > but one Ugaritic example in which neshe is anything else but 
> > women.  Dahood, in 
> > his subsequent reply to Himmelfarb talks about this example but 
> > says nothing on 
> > the neshe/anshe question.
> > 
> >                                                   Steve Oren
> >                                                   Chicago IL 
> > 
> > Quoting Polycarp66 at aol.com:
> > 
> > > In a message dated 3/21/2002 11:55:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > lizfried at umich.edu writes:
> > > 
> > > Mitchell Dahood, a Catholic priest, 
> > > translates it "Serve YHWH with reverence and
> > > live in trembling, O mortal men!"
> > > He reads O mortal men with no consonental
> > > changes: ne$e qaber, men of the grave,
> > > or men appointed for the grave.
> > > He compares i$ mawet (I kings 2:26)
> > > bene mawet (1 Sam 26:16).
> > > _______________
> > > 
> > > Now that makes sense.  The RSV and NRSV translate "kiss his 
> > feet", but that
> > > 
> > > requires emending the text from BR to RGLYW.  Maintaining the 
> > consonantal 
> > > text is always preferable.  In the oldest manuscripts the 
> > letters were not 
> > > always separated (in fact, as I recall, they usually weren't).  
> > Liz, could 
> > > you cite some more of Dahood's translation for context?  I'm 
> > afraid I left 
> > > most of my books in storage.
> > > 
> > > GfSomsel
> > > 
> > > 
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Dave Washburn
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with it.
                  -Emerson




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