bereshit (still)

Peter Kirk Peter_Kirk at
Mon Mar 18 14:04:40 EST 2002

Ian, I am simply looking at how two respected translation teams rendered
this passage, and parsing their English rather than the Hebrew. They may
be wrong, but they may also be correct. The following translations also
make "I swore" into a main clause and "when I chose subordinate to it:
RSV, NLT, NIV, TEV. Of the English Bibles on my shelf, only KJV and the
English RV agree with you; the modern translations all agree with me.
Have you learned enough Hebrew now to be sure that the world-renowned
experts on all of these translation teams have (not just possibly, but
certainly) made a mistake?

Re double postings: sorry, but the problem is that this mail server is
wrongly configured, so I have to manually delete your own address, as I
have done this time.

Peter Kirk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Hutchesson [mailto:mc2499 at]
> Sent: 18 March 2002 17:48
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: Re: bereshit (still)
> >Ian, your understanding may be possible, but it is clearly not that
> >(for example) the NRSV and JPS translators.
> Look at how it was translated earlier, when English could
> have longer sentence structures. This argument deals with
> translation styles, not with the text.
> >In both of these
> >translations, "I swore to the offspring" or its equivalent is clearly
> >main clause
> On what grounds to you claim that it is "clearly" a main
> clause? We are dealing with one long idea corresponding to
> "let them know the abominations".
> If "I swore to the offspring" were a main clause, what was
> sworn? The answer is in the clause in v.6
> >and "On the day when I chose Israel" is a subordinate clause
> >dependent on that main clause. Neither of them take "I swore..." as
> >dependent on "On the day", although there are many ways in which they
> >could have done that in English without making the sentence too long.
> Try it if the main clause is in v.6.
> >You have here yet another highly doubtful example. You can prove
> >about Genesis 1:1 from such debatable parallels.
> You are simply prepared to go to lengths to prop up
> a fallacious translation of Gen 1:1.
> Ian
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